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Old 02-23-2013, 12:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Heyyo,

So right now I'm riding a Ride Machete (6/10 flex), Forum Recon bindings (soft to medium), and Forum Fastplant boots (Noodley-poodley). I'm 5'10 and weigh 140 so this board is my size if not 1-2cm too big. I like my highback FLADs dialed forward maybe 40% so I guess they simulate stiffer bindings.

I mostly like freeriding. I'm an intermediate rider (I think ) and I can go down Northwest (Vancouver + Whistler) blue runs with 3-foot wide sinusoids and some straightlining at certain points. I find popping off little kickers and ollieing rollers fun too. My favourite kinds of turns are like skid turns, except that halfway through the turn I'll bite my edge in hard and force my board to ride it's edge - It makes me turn on a dime and the instantaneous momentum shift is fun is hell. Also not a fan of Rocker, Camber to Flat feels better to me. The Machete still feels pretty lively to me even though it's known to be damp, it might be because my bindings are low end and don't have alot of padding.

My question is, given what I can do now on my board, is it worth it in my progression to go up to stiff gear? I remember the change from my noodle beginner board (Forum Rat 2/10 flex) to my Machete very clearly. I remember not knowing it was possible for snowboarding to be this good, because I thought my technique was holding me back and not my equipment. Am I going to get the same feeling when I move 'up' to stiffer bindings/boots or a plank snowboard?

Cheers, and thanks for your help!
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A good way to find out is to go to the burton demo hut at the top of whistler gondola, (it's open daily I believe), hand in the machete and take out a burton custom X with either cartels or diodes if they have any diodes.

Sounds like you might like carving so maybe that will be your thing. Expect to catch an edge or two at first relative to the machete.
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Get stiff boots, without a doubt.

They are the key.

If you think this is good?

You just wait, you're gonna shit your pants.

What size are your feet?


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Stiff bindings are optional, but for someone who prefers freeriding, stiffer boots are an absolute must. Sure, you can't nose press very easily, if at all, but what you gain in terms of control (responsibility), power, confidence, and response will make you wonder why you ever started with something more flexible.
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A good way to find out is to go to the burton demo hut at the top of whistler gondola, (it's open daily I believe), hand in the machete and take out a burton custom X with either cartels or diodes if they have any diodes.

Sounds like you might like carving so maybe that will be your thing. Expect to catch an edge or two at first relative to the machete.
!! It's small and looks like a big tent thing right? Never ventured in there, should really be more exploratory. I'll definitely check it out, thanks!

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Get stiff boots, without a doubt.

They are the key.

If you think this is good?

You just wait, you're gonna shit your pants.

What size are your feet?
Interesting. Boots before bindings then? My feet are size 9, and I'm asian so they're probably on the narrower side of the spectrum.
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Get stiff boots, without a doubt.

They are the key.

If you think this is good?

You just wait, you're gonna shit your pants.

What size are your feet?


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Yeah I agree. Stiffer boots make all the difference in the world. Not saying stiffer boots will allow you to ride a Horrorscope the same way as a Blacklight, but if your board and bindings are already in the mid to stiff range a good set of freeride boots will add a ton of response.
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!! It's small and looks like a big tent thing right? Never ventured in there, should really be more exploratory. I'll definitely check it out, thanks!



Interesting. Boots before bindings then? My feet are size 9, and I'm asian so they're probably on the narrower side of the spectrum.
Well, today might be your lucky day?

I have a pair of 32 Juhyo's in a size 9

They are pretty much brand new, only worn for a few hours

They are sweet boots & they are stiff, better than almost all the other 32 boots, they have a level 4 liner.

The Juhyo FT has a level 4
The Lashed only has a level 3
The Binary-boa has level 3
The Stw-boa level 3
The Jp-walker-light has a level 2

Originally they were $220

I'll let them go for $100

A lot of people seem to think the Lashed is awesome.
It's kinda soft IMO.
Try these on, instantly you can tell they're better.
Not super stiff, but they will feel that way @ first compared to noodles.

I like that there isn't a million different types of materials in stupid patterns that could come apart.

The top is one piece & the bottom is another piece that's it.


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those are actually really dope looking /\ they remind me of top siders
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Stiffer does not necessarily mean more advanced. Flex differences on equipment are incorporated by design depending upon the intended use of the equipment based on rider style and personal preference. A rider who typically likes to be playful with a more freestyle oriented riding style is usually going to prefer softer flexing equipment. A rider who prefers to bomb groomers or get into high speed carving will lean toward stiffer gear.

Then there is personal preference in the way a rider likes the equipment to feel. I carve hard and fast and prefer big mountain lines and technical steeps but I do not like overly stiff gear. The main reason for this is because I have small feet for my weight and on technical steeps, a rider needs the ability to get the most out the board`s ability to torsionally twist for dynamic skidded turns. With a very torsionally stiff deck, a rider with small or average sized feet will not be able to fully utilize twist in their riding. I also do like to get playful on natural features and I ride long hours every day that I ride and I just find that having softer, damper gear is generally more comfortable.

Having a super stiff setup disallows me to really manipulate my board the way I like to at those times. With a softer (not noodle) flex to my equipment, I can use good riding technique to get the higher performance out of it like stiffer gear, but still have the option to be loose and playful with it.


So, when considering "upgrading" to more "advanced" gear, don`t get into the mindset that for it to be good, it has to be super stiff. Also keep in mind that there are three components working here; board, bindings, boots and you can match or use one to compensate for another. Generally, you want to match the board and binding (stiff board, stiff binding-soft board, soft binding) but you can mix it up a little to get the desired performance. A soft board and soft boot for example may not seem super responsive. But through on a stiffer binding in that combination and it will perform totally different.

I like a softer boot for everything and find that a stiff boot limits my range of motion in the ankles too much to be fully dynamic in my riding. If a rider cannot fully flex and extend the ankles, they cannot ride as dynamically as they could with a softer boot. These riders may charge hard, but they are using inclination way more than angulation. Inclination is much more of a static riding technique than dynamic. People with weaker ankles though tend to need the support of a stiffer boot.

So, bottom line is you need to make your choices based on your preferred riding style and how you like your equipment to feel under foot. If you are a typical rider who has one setup and are looking for something that does everything pretty well, stay in the middle range with regard to flex. A mid stiff board, medium flex binding and a medium stiff boot is going to be the most versatile setup possible. As you go to the extreme ends of the spectrum, you are getting into more task oriented equipment.
i honestly can hardly tell the difference from high-end binding to high-end binding in the allmountain category. boots however were huge, i have constantly gone stiffer and stiffer, each step up took some getting used to, and definitely took some gnarly spills i shouldnt have (start small get adjusted, etc)
but it just seems that the stiffer i go with boots the more responsible i feel for what happens when i strap-in. while i agree it somewhat limits the ability to be extremely dynamic when riding, you can still ride quite dynamically and playfully...

i ride the burton driver x 2012/2013. i might try the malamute or thraxis next.

for me personally, i don't like wiping out because i caught an edge wearing 32 prion's and park bindings that i couldn't adjust for in time. i ride a traditional camber board that is fairly unforgiving, soft boots are not an option, they are too slow to respond, not supportive enough, and do not transfer all the small movements that your leg makes that get lost/absorbed in a noodle boot, also you lose alot of flow and power and ultimately dominance over the mountain with a noodle boot.

i'd strongly suggest finding a med-stiff boot/binding combo that can achieve your goals that has a reputation for being very responsive. the Ambush/Ruler + Union SL is a versatile combo that will be very responsive and perform fine in the park.
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:02 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I like soft stuff with more bounce to them.
Dont like the feeling of being ultra stiff at high speeds feeling every flipping bump that could send me flying. I think of my bindings/boots as shock absorbers, i stay loose and let it rip.
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