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Old 02-24-2013, 10:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Carving up a lip/bank toeside and riding down heel side

I'm talking like riding down the hill, you spot a bank on your right you carve up it toeside at a steep angle and somehow end up riding down at an equally steep angle heelside

I've seen this done, but snowboard instructors refuse to teach me, they just say yeah that's a tough move you have to lean back which is scary.

Can someone walk me through this step by step, namely that transition at the apex...
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All I can say is start on smaller banks. I remember having this problem for along time also.
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Do you mean going up regular and coming down switch? Or doing a 180 at the top? Or just doing a sharp turn at the top?
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Do you mean going up regular and coming down switch? Or doing a 180 at the top? Or just doing a sharp turn at the top?
Doing a sharp turn or even a gradual turn.
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watch a bunch of video of surfers doing cutbacks.

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as you're reaching the apex you can just engage the heel edge just like you're making a heelside stop (left, for regular rider), that should easily give you like 90-135 degree "rotation" that will be enough to position you to ride down the bank in your normal forward stance. you can style this out like a powerslide, a layback, but gravity ultimately takes over you just need to make sure you carry across the fall line (for lack of a better term) and you'll be properly oriented to ride down the bank coming out.

I guess it seems a little tricky at first because you're like, braking, but going "uphill" at that particular moment.
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The reason instructors won't teach you is probably either because they've seen your ability already and don't want to say "You're not at the required level yet, you need to work on other things first" or it's not something they often teach, so they are unfamiliar with a progression they can use to teach you.

In reality, these types of maneuvers come from experience and understanding of how a board moves on snow in relation to the movements you make.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're after but here's a small progression you could use:
Practice super fast speed checks on the flat ground, but let the heel edge engage and carry you in a new direction. Slowly progress it to side banks, by riding up on a low angle, then turning and let the board ride back down the fall line on your heel edge. As you start to get it steeper you will need to skid/slide the first 90+desgrees of the turn by turning you upper body into the turn first and then letting your legs snap back round underneath you following your upper body.
The steeper the hill the more aggressive the turn needs to be, and eventually, as you've already been told, once you're going at a high angle up the hill you'll find you will need to lean backwards down the hill - you can think about dragging your rear hand if it help.

Possibly the best way to learn these types of things is by watching others and trying to mimic their movements as well. Where abouts do you currently ride?

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as you're reaching the apex you can just engage the heel edge just like you're making a heelside stop (left, for regular rider), that should easily give you like 90-135 degree "rotation" that will be enough to position you to ride down the bank in your normal forward stance. you can style this out like a powerslide, a layback, but gravity ultimately takes over you just need to make sure you carry across the fall line (for lack of a better term) and you'll be properly oriented to ride down the bank coming out.

I guess it seems a little tricky at first because you're like, braking, but going "uphill" at that particular moment.
Is there a trick to not falling backwards or losing all of your speed?
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Is there a trick to not falling backwards or losing all of your speed?

Momentum. It's like running and sliding, the faster you go, the further back you can lean without falling over.

So until you want that heel edge to fully engage (once your board is pointing back down the hill) don't pull the toes up so hard and just let the board skid.
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The reason instructors won't teach you is probably either because they've seen your ability already and don't want to say "You're not at the required level yet, you need to work on other things first" or it's not something they often teach, so they are unfamiliar with a progression they can use to teach you.

In reality, these types of maneuvers come from experience and understanding of how a board moves on snow in relation to the movements you make.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're after but here's a small progression you could use:
Practice super fast speed checks on the flat ground, but let the heel edge engage and carry you in a new direction. Slowly progress it to side banks, by riding up on a low angle, then turning and let the board ride back down the fall line on your heel edge. As you start to get it steeper you will need to skid/slide the first 90desgrees of the turn by turning you upper body into the turn first and then letting your legs snap back round underneath you following your upper body.
The steeper the hill the more aggressive the turn needs to be, and eventually, as you've already been told, once you're going at a high angle up the hill you'll find you will need to lean backwards down the hill - you can think about dragging your rear hand if it help.

Possibly the best way to learn these types of things is by watching others and trying to mimic their movements as well. Which state are you in?
Thanks I think the issue is that I don't have enough speed on these, and the second I apply the heel side I'm falling backwards/sideways i.e. being stopped or turned by the hill itself

I'm in CA
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