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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 03-03-2013, 08:02 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Funny thing is, that to me was actually the clearest, most understandable description.....LOL
Agreed. works for me.

For my record, I'm collecting coaching tips from Snowolf, I was quoting him and expecting his response. I am finding Snowolf's cue descriptions to be helpful.

The reality is that my body, boarding equipment, and the slope under me are one piece - this experience is the teacher and the joy.

"Snowboard pilot" - I like it.
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
I disagree.

You're using a rotary movement as a primary rather than supportive body movement concept to try to generate twist. This movement primarily generates the board performance known as pivot. Twist is a board performance concept using the flexion and extension of the ankle joint to pressure your edge. trying to use rotary to achieve twist is not as efficient as using the ankle as the primary body movement.

This is not to say that adding rotary movements is inappropriate, indeed rotary incorporated into any turn enhances the efficiency and performance of the turn. But when discussing body movements as a cause of board performance, an effect, it is important to understand what does what.

In addition, any movement, including rotary, is more effective the close to the board it occurrs. Rather than open the hips, it is much more effective to roll the knee in the direction of the turn. For heelside, opening your stance by pulling the front knee toward the nose is the ideal rotary movement to make. For toeside, open your stance by pulling the back knee toward the tail.

All pressuring movements are best made by flexing (closing) or extending (opening) the ankle joint. Again, the closer to the board the movement is made, the more effective and efficient it is.
Originally Posted by Bear5001 View Post
Just to match the tone put down earlier. Yes lets start a new thread, where we can measure our dicks, because this is no longer helping cootcraig. This is about flexing our brains/muscles, strutting and posturing, in short measuring our dicks... But alright im game, i got a big one

Flexing the knee joint CAN create twist, but only if you ankles, and hips move too. I can flex/extend my knees all day and keep a flat board, if i so choose. If you want to create twist, more is going on. As far as pushing down on your toes on toeside, this is a big problem with alot of riders, not denying that, but it doesn't prove your point about rotary at all. After you mention that you say you are isolating a movement. Great! But you forget to say what movement and if flexion in the knee is the only one, without moving ankles, or hips, thats not very good advice. Prove it? Well the proof is in the pudding. Stand up from your computer right now (get away from all sharp objects) stand in your snowboard stance, now only bend your knees (NO you cannot flex your ankles, or bend at all at the waist because i am trying to isolate a movement here. You fell over didn't you? you should have beacuse its like doing a wall sit without a wall, you fall.

Now as far as rotary on steeps, and in bumps... You are cordially invited to come to any mountain, and blow out especially heelside, because your beloved rotary has added too much pressure to the effective edge at a given time, it cannot hold, and throws you to the outside of the turn. Ever have a heelside turn that chatters? (we all have dont lie). Thats your beloved rotary at work. Stay balanced, stay aligned, use your sidecut for what its worth...

I propose a few guidelines for you MGD81
1: Don't be a dick, EVER
2:If you cant follow #1 at least be right, or be funny.
I would love to see you try and pass cert 3 carving using this method.

I used to ride like this, back when I had it drummed into me as a rookie instructor that I needed to be more in alignment. As soon as C3 came around it became pretty obvious that its impossible to match the radius of your toeside carve on steeps without some kind of rotary. My trainers (demo team members) will tell you that most people fail C3 on the carving because of this exact reason - a huge heelturn causing them to pick up tons of speed.

At no time did I say dont flex your ankle, infact most of my post advised lots of flexion. I didnt say what movement? try looking at the second point in the "to simplify" section.

I agree that the heelside portion is not the most efficient way, but again, im trying to isolate movement on the toeside, and I am betting that movement with the hips and shoulders is how he has been turning heelside up to now - lets keep it simple.

Lastly, I have never been thrown to the outside of a heelturn. Mainly people who dont flex get chatter, and that leads to the board washing out, not bucking you over the top.
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