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novokaine 03-10-2013 10:30 PM

When to upgrade?
 
So I have been boarding for about 25-30 hours total. I can go down blacks some with moguls. I go down the hills typically with dynamic skidded turns. I am riding a Burton Clash. I am noticing that I can't hold my edge very well on steep terrain. And I sometimes catch an edge when riding flat or getting lazy. You could say I am still a beginner maybe close to intermediate. After tracking my speeds on my android app I have a sustained speed of about 25mph and high speeds of 35 mph. I don't ride in the park and I am east coast so there is no powder.

Money isn't an issue. But I want to know is it too early for me to upgrade?

I have been doing research and it sounds like a freeride/all mountain would be good? Or is it too early for me to be upgrading to that stiff of a board?

The snowboard shops in my area the people just seem to BS and try to sell me the boards they have on hand so I need some professional(unbiased) advice.

poutanen 03-10-2013 11:05 PM

Yeah at 25-30 hours you're still a complete noob. Doesn't matter how athletic you are or how quick you pick things up. Just get out and ride for a while and worry about you gear later!

novokaine 03-10-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by poutanen (Post 822962)
Yeah at 25-30 hours you're still a complete noob. Doesn't matter how athletic you are or how quick you pick things up. Just get out and ride for a while and worry about you gear later!

You're probably right, I want to clarify just incase. According to this app I am at 20 hours of slope time(time going down a hill), which is about 10 days of going to resorts.

behi 03-11-2013 08:32 AM

If you can really do short radius dynamic turns, going with a more advanced board shouldn't be a big issue. Otherwise, you may find turning pretty challenging, particularly making tight turns, when it's steeper. You should be prepared for the new board to be less responsive to foot/torsional steering - which can be compensated for with good dynamic riding.

IME, the board can make a huge difference in edge hold, but if you can't turn it, that doesn't help you.

If you really are doing dynamic skidded turns (especially if you can do them on blacks), I wouldn't call you a beginner. If you are using pivot turns/windshield wiper technique, you should probably work on 'real' dynamic skidded turns first (easier to learn with your floppy board).

But if money is not an issue, you always have your old board to fall back on. Or you can try to find a rental shop with decent equipment and try a few different things...

TorpedoVegas 03-11-2013 08:41 AM

Hey if money is no issue then go for it.. If you're like half the members on this forum, in no time you'll be buying/selling 2 or 3 boards a season anyway just for the hell of it....nothing a little G.A.S. won't cure

novokaine 03-11-2013 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by behi (Post 823626)
If you really are doing dynamic skidded turns (especially if you can do them on blacks), I wouldn't call you a beginner. If you are using pivot turns/windshield wiper technique, you should probably work on 'real' dynamic skidded turns first (easier to learn with your floppy board).

Hmm, How do i know if I am doing "real" dynamic skidded turns and not pivot turns/windshield wiper technique?

I watched the video of snow wolf doing the dynamic skidded and I feel like that is what I do but it is hard to tell because I cant really watch myself.

behi 03-11-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by novokaine (Post 824210)
Hmm, How do i know if I am doing "real" dynamic skidded turns and not pivot turns/windshield wiper technique?

You shouldn't be pushing your back leg/tail around. If your tracks look like a washed out carve (S-shape), you are doing fine. The tail of your board should follow the turns reasonably smoothly and simply be traveling at a little larger radius than the tip.

If you are catching edges when turning, that should be a warning sign. Chances are, you are doing the windshield wiper technique or you are not tilting the board enough (which may actually be a big part of your edge hold issues).

If you are not too shy, just ask a few people that look friendly and look like they have a decent technique. Chances are, they will be happy to give you some feedback. Spotting the windshield-wiper guys isn't difficult...

novokaine 03-11-2013 12:58 PM

Great advice behi!

I do notice when I try to bleed speed down a steep hill I am kicking my back leg sometimes. And sometimes I don't. I will focus now on not doing it at all and just let the tail follow through the turn.

poutanen 03-11-2013 01:05 PM

Have you taken any lessons yet? I'd invest in lessons and more riding before worrying about a board. Remember it's 90% rider 10% board!

Casual 03-11-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by novokaine (Post 822882)
So I have been boarding for about 25-30 hours total.

I am riding a Burton Clash.

I am noticing that I can't hold my edge very well on steep terrain. And I sometimes catch an edge when riding flat or getting lazy.

You could say I am still a beginner

is it too early for me to be upgrading to that stiff of a board?


Your not being able to hold an edge is not because of your board, you can see if sharpening your edges help but my guess is that its technique. In fact I will tell you with confidence that a softer rocker board can be easier to navigate in moguls than a stiffer camber board, it is just easier to throw around. It's also easier to catch an edge on flat on a rocker becuase they tend to want to pivot/wash out so just keep an edge at all times and don't get lazy. Your board is fine, infact I'd say its a pretty decent board to learn on and changing it now could actually hurt your riding.

For the life of me I can't understand why people associate quality with stiffness. Stiff boards are a preference, not an upgrade.

I ride all terrain on a 157 Ride Kink, 4 or 5/10 flex, soft boots barely tied up and med/soft bindings with my board heavily detuned for park and yet - I can hold an edge on steep terrain 45-55' pitch with no issue, I can charge moguls and ride pretty sketchy windblown hardpack. Its all in your technique. Just keep riding.


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