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Yes the Raptor is stiff torsionally and that is why havinf at least a basic carving ability is going to be essential to get the most out of it. The board wants to be ridden on edge in a carving technique even if the actual turn is skidded. A stiff binding is also pretty important for the Raptor so you get full use of your foot movements.
I also have a board that's extremely stiff torsionally. For me personally, a mid+ - stiff binding (Burton Prophecy) works much better for foot steering than a very stiff one (Rossignol HC Works); I can muster more strength to torque the board.
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Few questions on the fore/aft and extend/flex movement timing.

1. Flex your front leg as you do the fore movement to initiate the turn.
2. After edge change and turn is initiated , move toward center. (Do you extend or flex the legs here? If so which ones?)
3 Before the turn is completed do the aft movement (Do you extend or flex the legs here? If so which ones?)

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I think this video shows the fore/aft movement that Snowolf is posting about.

Around the 1:27 mark is where it starts explaining/showing the fore/aft movement.

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Formulas on a Raptor??(this may be causing you some turn initiation issues)

Seems like a pretty bad match imo, like if you want a Raptor you may as well get a hard boot setup so you can use crampons..... just saying Formulas have always been a good all around mid-$$, but....seems like previous poster suggesting uber stiff bindings on that thing is onto something....

IMO you would be well served getting a super cheapo craigslist basic generic board, throwing the forumals on it and then learning to ride.

Why man, in god's name did you get a Raptor(just reading someone elses post)!? Holy crap!

By all means keep it, I just think 10 days-2 weeks of riding something more forgiving will allow you to progress from where you are to riding like a normal person who has it clicked, and then moving to the Raptor will be a piece of cake. Put that thing in the garage for your Alaska and Jhole trips.

Point of reference? Over 100 days on my Proto(deep pow, steeps)(riding since '94) and all I want is a replacement and a split one. (ok ok I admit something damper and a little stiffer would be better for the split)(just admitting I haven't ridden all the boards, NS doesn't ship me decks , but I ride a ton and can't imagine learning on what I know of the Raptor).

edit: oh and I'm not saying the Proto is a good beginner board because I do not believe it is, the way the camber zones engage on it combined with it's fairly decent amount of pop and the swivel between your feet are all pretty aggressive and unforgiving.

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Whew, that was a close one. For a split second I almost gave a fuck what you think...

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Formulas on a Raptor??(this may be causing you some turn initiation issues)

Seems like a pretty bad match imo, like if you want a Raptor you may as well get a hard boot setup so you can use crampons..... just saying Formulas have always been a good all around mid-$$, but....seems like previous poster suggesting uber stiff bindings on that thing is onto something....

IMO you would be well served getting a super cheapo craigslist basic generic board, throwing the forumals on it and then learning to ride.

Why man, in god's name did you get a Raptor(just reading someone elses post)!? Holy crap!

By all means keep it, I just think 10 days-2 weeks of riding something more forgiving will allow you to progress from where you are to riding like a normal person who has it clicked, and then moving to the Raptor will be a piece of cake. Put that thing in the garage for your Alaska and Jhole trips.

Point of reference? Over 100 days on my Proto(deep pow, steeps)(riding since '94) and all I want is a replacement and a split one. (ok ok I admit something damper and a little stiffer would be better for the split)(just admitting I haven't ridden all the boards, NS doesn't ship me decks , but I ride a ton and can't imagine learning on what I know of the Raptor).

edit: oh and I'm not saying the Proto is a good beginner board because I do not believe it is, the way the camber zones engage on it combined with it's fairly decent amount of pop and the swivel between your feet are all pretty aggressive and unforgiving.
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Whew, that was a close one. For a split second I almost gave a fuck what you think...
You don't have to be so bent just because I said you never snowboarded when you were running your mouth, both of which were true, if you don't like being put in your place, earn a new one.

My post was helpful and sincere. I didn't post it so I could re-read what I know.


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1. Flex your front leg as you do the fore movement to initiate the turn.

Flex both legs; get as low to the board as you can go and shift forward

2. After edge change and turn is initiated , move toward center. (Do you extend or flex the legs here? If so which ones?)

Begin a slow, but steady extension with both legs


3 Before the turn is completed do the aft movement (Do you extend or flex the legs here? If so which ones?)

Actually, as the board reaches the apex of the turn shift aft and because at apex, the board is the farthest away, you should be most extended. As the board passes apext and begins travelling back under you, you want to be slowly flexing both legs.

Thanks Snowolf. As always, you've been very helpful.
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