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I find this is true with RC boards. They get squirly off the lip when flat based so it's def safer to pop off an edge, and obviously the best edge is toes.

But with camber, flat based straight airs all day.
I ride mostly RC or straight rocker boards as well so maybe thats why I've naturally shifted to teaching this on edge technique. Haven't ridden camber for a long time but it does track much better flat basing.
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I understand RC getting squirly on flat, but on a curved transition the base is hitting the effective edge, I don't find it to be squirly myself. But IMO if a person isn't able to ride flat based without losing it (RC or Camber) they probably aren't ready for jumps.
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As I said, I don't mind flatbasing during regular riding, and can have no problems doing it over smaller jumps. But when I am hauling ass to make sure I clear the knuckle on a 20+ footer, its a different set of dangers.

And when I say keeping a toe edge, I don't mean enough to physically raise the heel off the snow - just enough to make sure I am 100 percent in control.

Also, for those saying "dead flat or back to the bunny hill for you!", are you saying that there is absolutely ZERO chance of catching an edge on the jump launch, as long as you are centered on the board and well balanced? Like I said I can't actually remember if I have caught an edge since getting this board, but I do have memories of catching edges in the past (on the hardpacked approaches to lifts etc). If it was a fresh groomed jump I wouldn't have any issues but these jumps were very used with lots of tracks leading up the face
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I'm saying there is more of a chance you will launch off balanced and crash taking off an edge for a straight air then catching an edge on the run in. I suppose both are possibilities.

I'm obviously getting some opposition here but that doesn't sway my answer. Like I said, AASI & many many other resources teach to pop off a flat base because it is the safest way for a rider to pop off a feature with balance and carry that balance in the air through to the landing.

Here are several videos I consider good quality instruction that show this technique. If somebody can show me a good video that's teaching to pop off an edge I'd like to see it.

Watch them, they all say it clearly, several times as well as making sure to say do not go off on any edge.

jumping with jussi straight air - YouTube
Intro to Jumping from Snowboard Addiction - YouTube
Learn How To Snowboard: Straight Air | Snowboard Tricks For Freestyle Snowboarding - YouTube
Straight Air Snowboard Trick Tip with Robett Hollis - YouTube

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Sure, you can pop off of the lip totally flat based but it is a little dead feeling.
Snowolf I agree with you most of the time but on this one point I do not at all. I get tons off pop off a flat base, just as much as off my toe edge. Now one technical detail to point out, you always jump off your toes even from flat because that's the way the human body works as you extend your legs, you don't need to be on an edge as you go up the ramp for this to happen.
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Just for reference, i track pretty much dead straight when jumping and cant remember the last time i stacked it from off out of balance (though i am working on reducing arm movement in the air)

@Curious, are you saying this because "Its what they say to teach", or from personal jumping experience over bigger jumps? That is certainly not meant to be an insult, but looking at vids of Cr0 and his crew, they do some jumps i wouldnt dream of hitting yet

Here is a video a friend took of me last weekend; its very short, but its the only one that shows my approach to the jump. I basically just rolled off that launch (yet it was enough for me to land halfway down the landing spot). I did this flatbased, and you can see the board is both squirelly going up the ramp and then also in the air (though probably due to my arm movements)




*patiently waiting to hear that i am virtually doing everything wrong and should go back to leafing practice
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Re: Straight airs and flatbasing

Your stance is countered (open) which tends to cause frontside rotation; that's why you're fighting for balance in the air.

You also never popped. The pop sets your trajectory and gives you control and stability. Fix both of those and your straight airs will clean up.
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Thanks for the tips.

Interesting to hear about the open shoulders... Dang i guess it is back to basics

Wont get to go boarding this weekend, but have plenty to look forward to the following weekend.
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Re: Straight airs and flatbasing

It's not much but a bigger jump (looks like a 20 foot stepdown) means more speed and air which will exaggerate even slight technical problems.

The first thing I do every season is reup on my "air balance". I hit as many side hits and rollers as possible until I feel good again and then try some smaller jumps. You know your balance is good when your jumps feel clean, smooth and quiet.

I don't think you need to go back to basics, just go to some smaller jumps and work back up. Also, that inrun is pretty messy and could use a raking; that also was throwing your balance off.
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I am speaking from personal experience.

Good vid for feedback. Your back arm is reaching forward which is causing what CheeseForSteeze is saying about opening up causing FS rotation, he nailed that one. Popping will help as mentioned, not too hard but enough to set you up in the air, riding off like that tends to cause you to stay at the ramps trajectory, which is what happened to you there... backseat all the way. I have to say though that ramp does look pretty rutted out and shitty, I tend to find another jump or just go hit rails when the jumps get too rutted out because its just no fun and it can cause you to get hurt.

Here is a screenshot of your body position, you need to get that back hand over your board again so your shoulders are parallel and straighten your back a bit, your leaned over a bit at the hips. If you get that hand back you will run straighter and you won't start to feel rotation on the ramp and in the air.

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