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Straight airs and flatbasing

So after figuring that the key to getting my 360s down is to get more comfortable with bigger airs, i have gone back to doing straight airs/indies etc and just increasing size. I think the biggest i hit last weekend might have been 20ft, but I do get somewhat uncomfortable on the ramps

I know that for straight airs you should be flatbasing in the final approach, but i keep thinking "what if i catch an edge right before the lip?" In normal riding it isnt an issue (and i could correct most situations), but on the bigger jumps i am now hitting them with a lot more speed. And even a slight imbalance off the lip could mean a trip to the hospital

What worries me most is the possibility of hitting one of the carve lines from those doing spins (possibly one of my own ), so i am riding into the jumps with a bias towards my toe edge (not completely flatbased). Should i stop doing this, grow a pair and go to a true flatbase?


It probably sounds like i am making a big fuss about nothing (since i am sticking the jumps at the moment), but i want to make sure I have these straight airs locked down with the right technique, and ideally even move up to bigger jumps without fear
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Practice your ollies at speed.

If those are the thoughts that are coming to you, sounds like your not comfortable enough riding and popping at those speeds. Rip around out side of the park and look for rollers to pop nice ollies at the same speed. Some times you can ride around the lip of the jump, and ollie from the deck to the landing.

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I actually think its better to pop off a jump with a slight amount of pressure on your toe edge as opposed to being flat based. you have more control and its easier to get good pop off your toes.
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I feel fairly comfortable ollying flatbased off 'wave runs', even at higher speeds. I actually backed out of the biggest Jump in this park i went to (it is a run of 4 jumps, each progressively bigger, last being 25-30ft?). It was mainly the fear of catching an edge on the kicker at the speed i was approaching it, so i just went to side of it and just ollied over the hip.

I have to admit, I cant remember ever having caught an edge while flatbasing with this board (K2 Parkstar - flat rocker), so perhaps its just a fear i have to get over. I suppose some of my fear about flatbasing is the possibility of being thrown heelside right before the launch. If i catch a toe edge i might be able to do something, but the thought of leaving heel edge and having the board come out in front of me is not cool. I read that story on here about the guy breaking his back because of a heel edge jump and dont want to repeat it.

Cr0, that is reassuring to hear.

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Just keep doing the smaller ones flat based until your not uncomfortable anymore... do not go off an an edge please, I kringe when I see this. Those making the comments like that may have found it works for them but 99% of the time I see people do this they are off balance in the air.

approach flat, stay flat, pop flat, land flat... end of story.
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Just keep doing the smaller ones flat based until your not uncomfortable anymore... do not go off an an edge please, I kringe when I see this. Those making the comments like that may have found it works for them but 99% of the time I see people do this they are off balance in the air.

approach flat, stay flat, pop flat, land flat... end of story.
huh? popping off an edge is a prereq for just about any rotation past 180. Popping off an edge shouldn't throw you off balance.
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Just keep doing the smaller ones flat based until your not uncomfortable anymore... do not go off an an edge please, I kringe when I see this. Those making the comments like that may have found it works for them but 99% of the time I see people do this they are off balance in the air.

approach flat, stay flat, pop flat, land flat... end of story.
I said toe edge, not either. popping off your heel in a straight air will more then likely throw you off balance, while popping off your toes is much more natural and easier to keep your balance.

popping flat base just doesn't make much sense really, plus i find its easier for your board to pivot by accident when trying to keep it flat causing someone to catch their edge off the jump.
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huh? popping off an edge is a prereq for just about any rotation past 180. Popping off an edge shouldn't throw you off balance.
Obviously we have a disconnect. The OP is specifically asking about straight airs, not rotation, that would be a whole other conversation.

For straight airs I would never ever teach a new rider to favor any edge.

AASI teaches to pop from a flat base
Snowboard addiction teaches to pop from a flat base
Jumping with Jussie teaches to pop from a flat base

I could make this list very long but I'll stop there. The main point is if your teaching a new rider to jump you should be teaching them the safest most effective way, which is off a flat base.

I can pop off my heels and toes and do a nice straight air, but I'm an experienced rider and I would never teach these methods.
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I said toe edge, not either. popping off your heel in a straight air will more then likely throw you off balance, while popping off your toes is much more natural and easier to keep your balance.

popping flat base just doesn't make much sense really, plus i find its easier for your board to pivot by accident when trying to keep it flat causing someone to catch their edge off the jump.
I find this is true with RC boards. They get squirly off the lip when flat based so it's def safer to pop off an edge, and obviously the best edge is toes.

But with camber, flat based straight airs all day.
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Obviously we have a disconnect. The OP is specifically asking about straight airs, not rotation, that would be a whole other conversation.

For straight airs I would never ever teach a new rider to favor any edge.

AASI teaches to pop from a flat base
Snowboard addiction teaches to pop from a flat base
Jumping with Jussie teaches to pop from a flat base

I could make this list very long but I'll stop there. The main point is if your teaching a new rider to jump you should be teaching them the safest most effective way, which is off a flat base.

I can pop off my heels and toes and do a nice straight air, but I'm an experienced rider and I would never teach these methods.
I guess we are talking subtle differences here then. If you watch the SA videos even when they say to pop flat based it looks like he is popping off his toes to some extent. IME pressuring an edge(toeside) is always better and makes for a more natural pop off the balls of your feet, similar to what Cr0 is implying as well. I'm not a instructor though and so what I teach others may not be optimal. I always teach them to pressure the toe edge and pop with the balls of their feet. Seems to work well and sets them up for rotations as edge angles just need to increase to precarve into rotations.
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