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Old 03-13-2013, 01:00 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I suggest we develop a forum-approved definition of flatbasing to aid with these discussions. My suggestions:

flatbasing verb

a. when a board is flat <I was seriously flatbasing my ass off and reached 50mph>
b. when a board is flat but also on edge, slightly <I was flatbasing my ass off and reached 50mph, dude that's not flatbasing, you were on your edge>
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:14 AM   #92 (permalink)
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[...] noticed no difference between flat based, slight edge pressure or carving. In each case, the glide was the same as far as I could measure.
My testing suggests (hiking GPS that gives highly accurate speed data), that edge pressure generally doesn't make a difference (as long as the board is still going straight). In cold, fresh, non-icy stuff and wet snow it's even helpful to use a significant amount of pressure, so that only part of the running surface makes full contact.

When carving, even if you have the same glide/speed, you are not going straight and have to cover a longer distance. So if the goal is to make a flat/uphill section, it's counter-productive.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:26 AM   #93 (permalink)
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So to revisit this. While riding today I was thinking about this whole argument and what I actually do and how much difference it makes. What I noticed is that even though my base is flat visually, I am definitely pressuring one edge or the other at all times. Granted, it is very light pressure but it is there. I deliberately went totally flat like I would on a box and even though I was stacked and aligned, the board definitely picked up wobble from the uneven snow on the long flat cat track that is the run out for Heather Canyon at Mt. Hood Meadows. Every little bump, dip and rut affected the board`s trajectory in some fashion. I was able to always make tiny corrections to keep it going flat and straight but it was a total concentration kind of task.

When riding as I normally do with just a bit of edge pressure (not tilt) The board handled so much better and the ride was just easier. So, how did this affect board performance? Well, the snow was firm hardpack that was just softening up from the afternoon sun and was not noticeably sticky. My glide up a short uphill stretch was no different whether I was holding a slight bit of stabilizing edge presser or letting it go totally flat. Maintaining a carve with the edge actually lifted, did mean that I did not coast to the top however.

Later, I tried this in the refrozen hardpack and noticed no difference between flat based, slight edge pressure or carving. In each case, the glide was the same as far as I could measure. Now of course I wax and it does make a difference in our snow.

So, for me, I personally in my riding, am going to continue to ride "flat based: while deliberately hold just a tad of edge pressure. Any loss of glide performance is a small price to pay for the extra margin of control I feel. Because I firmly believe this method is safer than trying to maintain a true 100% flat base, I am going to recommend using light edge pressure; especially with beginners and intermediates. Others can do it any way they like and if they are comfortable being truly flat based, that`s their call. I am going with flat but pressured.
this is basically me entire argument. there is really no reason to sacrifice the control you have for an almost immeasurable amount of additional glide or speed..and generally, you need to put pressure one way or the other to correct yourself if you are truly flat regardless.
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Old 03-16-2013, 12:15 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Just for the he'll of it I was paying attention this morning on a hard icy groomed run. While flat based I almost always kept my front foot equal and but slight pressure on my rear foots toe or heel to keep from chattering too much.... No steering came from my rear foot pressure nor edge hold. It was simply keeping pressure across my board.

Yesterday on the mid day spring slush it was equal pressure on both feet going down straight runs then full edge engage when turning...
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:35 PM   #95 (permalink)
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When I've paid attention to this, I've found that I'm using torsion on my board. I might be pressing all toe edge, then a moment later I'm toe on the front and heel on the back... It's all reflex too, so I'm just an observer.
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:47 PM   #96 (permalink)
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if im reading it right then what you guys are saying is that while you may be "flat based" there is some type of pressure going in one direction or another ...so youre never truly flat. does that make sense?
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:00 PM   #97 (permalink)
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It is impossible to have a perfectly flat base. The ground is uneven, the board is not perfect, the human body does not have the fine motor control to adjust pressure that precise. Now, a 50 micron section of graphene (single layer of carbon atoms) that can be damn flat!

The true problem is what we seem to term 'flat-base', I bet if you did a quick survey on the hill, most people would consider even having a slight edge flat-based ... but hell, most people think they are carving.

It's also not like there is an international snowboard standards commission that decides this stuff, cause most people don't really care that much. I think most people would accept that flat basing is where the bulk of your base is in contact with the snow and you are actively trying to keep it flat.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:27 PM   #98 (permalink)
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if you think too much about it, you are def gonna eat shit
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:39 PM   #99 (permalink)
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If your straight your mostly on edge, a flat board has no edge control, and why the all the fuss about flat basing it? We pretty much all learned the technique while still beginners trying to get over that flat spot after that hill we couldn't commit to.
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:13 PM   #100 (permalink)
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Mostly because people keep insisting that they ride completely flat based with zero pressure on either edge lol
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