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Old 03-17-2013, 06:29 PM   #121 (permalink)
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There's probably alot of validity to the statement SnoWolf made.. The conditions probably do have alot to do with the overall discussion. I ride less than ideal conditions 90% of the time and that does have alot to do with my riding style.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:30 PM   #122 (permalink)
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I just got back from flatbasing 24" of powder, only got stuck once...waist deep wading out
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:52 PM   #123 (permalink)
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I did do some flatbase testing today on some very flat track and paid attention to slight pressure of an edge

pow...no edge needed

soft pack...no edge needed...kind of went edge to edge at times due to inperfections on the track...ankles loose but pressure was neutral

hard pack and ice...some pressure/edge
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:09 PM   #124 (permalink)
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I also rode today and paid attention.. Conditions weren't bad considering its mid march on the east coast.. Basically a mixture of hardpack over some ice and the occasional loose granular. Flat basing without some kind of pressure was next to impossible to do and feel any semblance of safety. Unfortunately the day got cut short because my girlfriend caught her heelside edge and took a nasty spill on her tailbone.

Probably alot of this has to do with the type of board you're on too.. I love my Evo, and I regularly hit 35mph+ on it, but that's when I'm holding a tight edge and really working the board. It's simply too soft to feel stable at high speeds without alot of edge pressure. I can't even imagine trying to bomb a hill on it totally flat.. As it is I know that I am constantly compensating for the terrain by adjusting pressure.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:18 PM   #125 (permalink)
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I don't like flat basing much, always keep a slight edge.. I never have problems getting past flat spots. I'll do it every once in while to play around but IMO it's not a good idea.
I have a 154 Evo, it feels fine at speeds to me but I'm much more comfortable bombing runs on my Burton supermodel. Love my Evo though, such a playful board.
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I LOVE my Evo too , but I definitely want to lay an edge down with it.. That's all. There's just too many factors involved I guess to make this a black and white discussion
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:16 PM   #127 (permalink)
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I also tried flatbasing my board(flat with early rise on tip and tail) on hardpack and it was ok but it just did not feel safe, it can be done on powder and soft snow as wrathfuldeity mentioned but i guess on hardpack... you have to get used to it. I'm 45 and i do NOT want to be scorpioned
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:30 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Ditto.
I don't mind falling but catching an edge is no fun! If you can straight line a run on a slight edge and get up to 50-70 MPH why bother riding with your board completely flat based? I guess I just don't see the need unless your hitting features in the park or landing. I've done it but it's sketchy, I personally get more courage around a .05 B.A.C.

Powder is obviously a different animal.

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Old 03-17-2013, 11:36 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Never ever flat base, always keep an edge..... End of thread.
Wow, I guess not!!

Actually, I agree, I didn't think snowboards even worked if they were truly flat based. Everyone has seen the first time boarder on the bunny hill. They are determined to make it down the bunny hill. They flat base the whole way and that board is wiggling and sliding side to side and then they crash. The first thing we say when they get up is, "Dude, never, ever ride without an edge."

I have only been riding one full season so I can truly remember riding flat base and it was a pretty bad feeling. You KNOW you are about to catch an edge at any second. So, I make a conscious decision to have a major edge so I never flat base. I wonder if the people on this thread with a lot of riding experience have such fine edge control they appear to be completely flat based but they are not. My kid looks like he is flat based at 50 mph and it scares the crap out of me. He claims he has an edge but his board looks flat as snot.

Conditions do matter and some conditions are more forgiving than others. I learned to snowboard on an ice encrusted hill in Minnesota. The first time we had about 6 inches of snow I felt myself flat base and braced for impact. Nothing happened of course and the powder washed over my edge.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:13 AM   #130 (permalink)
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Probably alot of this has to do with the type of board you're on too.. I love my Evo, and I regularly hit 35mph+ but that's when I'm holding a tight edge and really working the board.
I'd say, the equitation could look like that: Terrain+condition * board shape * riders ability+confidence = flatbase safely

Assume the same terrain+condition (same resort 10 years every weekend, long runouts with flat hardpack in the morning, softer in afternoons, about 25 at the beginning, no bends, good overview, you need a certain speed to reach the snow-bar) AND the same rider (I'm rather precautious, no daredevil like the guys), the board shape variable made a big difference to me.

- On Custom X/Liberty Carbon (camber): never flatbased, too afraid to catch an edge, never reached the bar (no idea about the speed, had no app then).
- On Raptor (hybrid rocker): no way, the rocker felt too wiggly, only reached 43mph: walk to the bar.
- On Flagship (technically hybrid camber but actually flat): now flatbasing commonly and with confidence (up to 50mph): even had to break at the bar

But if you add a bit of riders ability+confidence, the board shape will be compensated, a.s.o.

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