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Old 03-18-2013, 09:45 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Personally i have a similiar view to snowwolf. When trying to ride with as little pressure as possible, i just lose control. I am on my last day of my utah trip today, and with park city having a ton of long flat run outs, i tried paying attention to what i was doing and unless i tried not put pressure anywhere, i would always have more pressure on one side of the board. Yesterday, we got 1 inch of snow and i tried flatbasing without any pressure again and in that it worked fine.
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:16 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Interesting observation Nenni. I agree witht he Raptor. I find the NS as well as Mervin C2, pretty spooky flat basing on packed but I actually feel much better flat basing on traditional camber. I am shooting in the dark here but I am attributin this to the fact that with traditional camber, when flat based, I actually have four contact points engaged with the snow. On my Billy Goat and the the Neversummer boards, if I am flat based, its like riding balanced on a bowling ball with the rocker under the pivot point of the board and all four contact points floating above the snow in the air.

The only way I flat base on these profiles is very nose heavy to ride the front half of the board in order to keep two contact points engaged with the snow or in a full tail press. never ever centered.
That's EXACTLY how I felt yesterday. I'd go flat on the Evo and immediately feel unsafe ( hardpack over ice, some loose granular pushed around unevenly by skiers). I literally felt like I was trying to stand on one of those big bouncy workout balls.. The nose wanted to go one way, then the tail, to the point where I realized it was just not safe to ride like that. I made it across the flat fine putting some slight heel pressure and if I did start slowing down I shifted my weight over the nose. No matter how much I WANTED to be totally flat, my board and body kept telling me it was a bad idea.

That being said, I wonder how I'd feel if I was riding a Mod Rocker or a Buckwild or any other mostly flat based board. I can't really compare to camber as I haven't ridden camber in so long I don't even remember what it feels like. I know on my 09 GNU DK (full rocker) it has even less contact than the Evo and there's no shot of that happening on this coast
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:48 AM   #133 (permalink)
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I actually haven't.. I even considered buying one at one point but I honestly love the hybrid camber from NS so much that I can't find a good reason to buy a different brand. I'm debating between a Proto and an SL.. I just want something with a little more pop and stiffness. I demoed a Salomon Sabotage that I really liked though.. Have you ridden any of their boards ?
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #134 (permalink)
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I wish there was a way to demo NS decks out here. The HD sounds awesome but since I've never ridden the CT it'd be hard to compare . Plus I usually try and get last seasons decks since I generally save about 30% lol
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:50 PM   #135 (permalink)
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* board shape *
critical factor....i can ride flat without any problem, or hint of catching, but i'm not on a c2-3 , rocker or other of the mixed cambers
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:56 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Ok. did some fuckin' around today.

Yes, I am definitely flat basing. When I was, I could only go where gravity took me. The whole idea behind flat basing is you don't steer, you haul, ass that it is

Try this You will 100% know for a fact you are Flat basin'
While you are riding, bend down & grab your left boot with your left hand & right with the right.
Now push down on your boots & rest your elbows on your knees.

You can feel every little bump travel through your feet into your hands.
Even feel exactly where the bump was, if it was @ the ball of your foot or heel or toe.

All I can say is try it. You will feel it instantly.
It was actually pretty trippy Every little bump/lump you go over, you feel individually in a precise spot on the bottom of your foot.
No two bumps ever feel the same or are in the same place.

To anyone who thinks you're always, even if it's the slightest bit, on an edge?

Nope. Sorry. You are wrong.

On a side note.
Your brain will be telling you to stare @ your feet, boots & hands.
Don't do it, Your new route has now become the Fall Line. You will need to pay attention.


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Old 03-20-2013, 05:53 AM   #137 (permalink)
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That's EXACTLY how I felt yesterday. I'd go flat on the Evo and immediately feel unsafe ( hardpack over ice, some loose granular pushed around unevenly by skiers). I literally felt like I was trying to stand on one of those big bouncy workout balls.. The nose wanted to go one way, then the tail, to the point where I realized it was just not safe to ride like that. I made it across the flat fine putting some slight heel pressure and if I did start slowing down I shifted my weight over the nose. No matter how much I WANTED to be totally flat, my board and body kept telling me it was a bad idea.

That being said, I wonder how I'd feel if I was riding a Mod Rocker or a Buckwild or any other mostly flat based board. I can't really compare to camber as I haven't ridden camber in so long I don't even remember what it feels like. I know on my 09 GNU DK (full rocker) it has even less contact than the Evo and there's no shot of that happening on this coast
My cambered (Operator, Uninc) boards ride stable, compared to my other boards which tend to want to wiggle out of direction more frequently. Camber can get a bit twitchy as you'll feel the contact points up front. To me its quicker and easier to micro adjust while flat on a cambered deck.

My slayblade is flat and is less twitchy, a bit more wiggle, a bit slower to adjust.

My brigade is flat with minimal rise of 4mm and its the board with the most wiggle but being the softest its also not as slow to adjust as the slayblade.

Stiffness seems to play a part especially on flat or rockered boards, but doesn't seem to effect the cambered decks in the same way...

It's anyone else feeling the same?
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so i did some messing around again yesterday on hard pack.. and i mean HARDpack.

used my Evo as always. I will concede that when I did let the board go completely flat, it was slightly faster than when putting pressure towards one edge or the other..i could immediately feel the board following the direction of the fall line, wherever it wanted to go.

No matter how much i wanted to, it just didnt feel safe to keep it up for very long even on mostly flat spots...just reporting back. i will admit there is some merit to the idea that it is faster flat based
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so i did some messing around again yesterday on hard pack.. and i mean HARDpack.

used my Evo as always. I will concede that when I did let the board go completely flat, it was slightly faster than when putting pressure towards one edge or the other..i could immediately feel the board following the direction of the fall line, wherever it wanted to go.

No matter how much i wanted to, it just didnt feel safe to keep it up for very long even on mostly flat spots...just reporting back. i will admit there is some merit to the idea that it is faster flat based
I honestly feel better doing it on steep areas than flat areas, I also feel way more confident flatbasing my supermodel (RIP) which is camber.
I'm not a fan of flat basing on the Evo either.

I feel like It's faster in most conditions as well, aside from slushly snow... IMO

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so it sounds like you want to pressure an edge when going on a flat area.

But what about going off jumps (straight air) or trying a butter or press

is the idea also the same that you want to very slightly pressure a particular edge to stay in control? or adjust as needed?
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