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Old 03-13-2013, 07:13 AM   #71 (permalink)
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but what if I'm freebasing?
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:15 AM   #72 (permalink)
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I get that but if you twist, the base is no long flat. The edge does not have to be engaged and is irrelevant. The base is not flat. Go ahead and twist the base on a box. Even though you never come close to actually tilting onto the edge, you will se daylight under some portion of a twisted base. My point remains valid that if you apply enough pressure to twist the base it is no longer truly flat ergo not truly flat basing. To truly flat base a board, use pivot and pressure not twist.
Ok. In my book it's close enough to flat and the twisting isn't used all the time, it's only used for small steering corrections. If the snow is soft, you won't see daylight. A very small amount of twist is enough.

If the snow is hard, I think what matters is that you are engaging the edge/sidecut.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:46 AM   #73 (permalink)
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SO WHAT IS THE DAMN TECHNIQUE TO DO IT IN APPROPRIATE SITUATIONS WITHOUT EATING SHIT?

All of the debate in this thread is about whether or not you should, when you should, whether its even possible, as well as a bunch of insults. No one except wrathfuldiety and ETM have even tried to explain the technique. Edit: And now, you, have finally tried explaining the technique in your last post. Thanks. That's all I was asking. And behi added some tips too.

To recap:

-Keep shoulders aligned (boarder cross guys seem to break this rule the whole time with open shoulders, so kinda confused, but ok)
-Easier to do in softer snow than harder snow
-Easier to do at higher speeds than slow on a cat track/flat
-Keep ankles loose
-Auto-correcting micro-adjustments via pressure changes come naturally with practice
-Keep weight forward (both intuitive and confusing, because you don't catch edges if way in the back seat, like tail pressing/buttering)
-Use counter-rotation with any available body part if the back wants to swing out and catch
-True flatbasing is a unicorn that only ETM and timmytard have seen
-ETM and timmytard are sinners
to get started, do it on gentle slopes and flat track areas then as you get more comfortable/confident with speed and slope. Learning to ride flat is most useful on long flat tracks and when you need to maintain speed to get up hill (terrain trap)....and to accelerate quickly or bomb.

its easy...just 3 things to get started
1...keep weight on the nose
2...make sure your shoulders, hips and arms/hands are closed/parallel (all body parts inside the cereal box)
3...netural stacked (ankles/hips/shoulders) stance with relaxed knees and loose ankles
Its learning to just trust the board and remained relaxed enough to absorb the little bumbs, ruts and stuff...if you are stiff you will get tossed around....you want to absorb.

Good practice is to ride 1 footy as long as possible off a chair or on the bunny hill. If you put a 5 lb sand bag in the front binding and let it go....the board will generally flow down the fall line and will not catch an edge.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:26 AM   #74 (permalink)
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My favorite part of this thread is that it took 9 pages to get about 3 decent posts for the op.

Summary:

- when flat basing don't be an asshat and run into people
- flat basing takes practice, and not always great to use it everywhere
- monkey's will kill their alpha leader if he is a bitch (read it in the news the other day)
- learn to use a bit edge when flat basing, even if you eventually don't always use this technique
- after 50-50s on a box, try some basic butters it will improve you awareness of the board
- we aren't skiers worrying about turns, but using an edge can be faster then trying to flat base to the bottom .. Sometimes .. Maybe most times .. Myth bust it
- 100% real east coast ice is not edge-able(it happens from time to time) it is like a 600m box, pick your line, avoid it if you can/want .. Or flat base it for a sweet ride.
- having an edge is not the only means of control .. Spinning in the air with no edge can still be controlled .. It is in the setup, similar with flat basing

Good thread
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:47 AM   #75 (permalink)
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1...keep weight on the nose
It only took 85 comments for JTG to get the answer on how to flat base. People seem more interested in fighting words than snowboarding advise. Somehow the topic of flat basing always gets heated.

I think people eat it hard when they stand up and relax and take the weight off their down hill leg to take a break. If any weight is off centered to the rear of the board, the tail will want to come around to either toe edge, scorpioned, or heel edge, WWF suplex.

If your weight is toward the nose of the board, it is like gravity is pulling you, if it is towards the tail, it is like gravity is pushing you. For those that don't drive, if you pull a shopping cart with one hand, the cart will go straight, if you push a shopping cart with one hand it will want to turn unless you fight it.

I've watch guys do "wheelie" on the tail of their board and not eat it, so I know that riding the tail flat is possible.

I was lost with the whole physics, inertia, gyroscopic, momentum, rigid body discussion.
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It only took 85 comments for JTG to get the answer on how to flat base. People seem more interested in fighting words than snowboarding advise. Somehow the topic of flat basing always gets heated.

I think people eat it hard when they stand up and relax and take the weight off their down hill leg to take a break. If any weight is off centered to the rear of the board, the tail will want to come around to either toe edge, scorpioned, or heel edge, WWF suplex.

If your weight is toward the nose of the board, it is like gravity is pulling you, if it is towards the tail, it is like gravity is pushing you. For those that don't drive, if you pull a shopping cart with one hand, the cart will go straight, if you push a shopping cart with one hand it will want to turn unless you fight it.

I've watch guys do "wheelie" on the tail of their board and not eat it, so I know that riding the tail flat is possible.

I was lost with the whole physics, inertia, gyroscopic, momentum, rigid body discussion.
I noted it in a round about way at comment 6...get out of the back seat...but I learnt some stuff abt space rigidity...its been one of the better discussions about flat basing.
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It only took 85 comments for JTG to get the answer on how to flat base. People seem more interested in fighting words than snowboarding advise. Somehow the topic of flat basing always gets heated.
Splitting hairs seems like a useful exercise in this thread, since it's clear from the discussion that different people have different definitions of what 'real' flat-basing is.

Looking at the video posted earlier, demonstrating 'real' flat-basing, it looks to me like that guy is actually shifting the weight a little between toe and heel edge.
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Looking at the video posted earlier, demonstrating 'real' flat-basing, it looks to me like that guy is actually shifting the weight a little between toe and heel edge.[/QUOTE]

Probably so that he can stay flat based


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Old 03-13-2013, 09:58 AM   #79 (permalink)
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Yes you can see right away a very obvious adjustment he makes to avoid his tail coming around on him. Around the 25 second mark...

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Old 03-13-2013, 10:12 AM   #80 (permalink)
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There you go video demonstration. I know the guy personally and ridden with him, he can flatbase while not going on an edge. He taught me just imagine your body being an arrow and just stand still. Imagine if you just let a snowboard go down a slope (with nobody standing on it), it will not catch an edge. Now add a person on the snowboard and just get into an athletic stance bend your knees and ankle and don't make unnecessary movements with your upper or lower body.

Funny, I thought that was a chick?!?!?!?

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