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Go try the easiest black run. You'll have a hard time no doubt, but once you make it down you'll be amazed how much easier those blue runs seem now. Maybe very different advice than you've been receiving, but what's the point of everyone telling you the same thing.
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This is in my opinion bad advice for Whistler, where the blues are pretty tough compared to most places to begin with and the guy's not sure if he should retreat to greens. I could see this if he was at some smaller hill where the blacks might not be too hard but in general at Whistler they're pretty tough and he should get the hang of blues first.
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This is in my opinion bad advice for Whistler, where the blues are pretty tough compared to most places to begin with and the guy's not sure if he should retreat to greens. I could see this if he was at some smaller hill where the blacks might not be too hard but in general at Whistler they're pretty tough and he should get the hang of blues first.
I tend to disagree...but the issue is how long is the black run...(not the steepness)....if it is miles and going to take 45 minutes...then agreed. But if it is a short back that takes 10-15 minutes...why the fuck not. Yesterday NW and I were taking Donutz in some triple black tree stuff...that was steep and narrow....he took it slow and worked within his level but it changed his world about doing the gnarls barkley.


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When I started which honestly wasn't too long ago, I had the same issue. Thing that helped the most was to lose fear and commit. I've heard what's here on the east coast is nothing compared to what's out your way but just making it down the run even if it was just sliding down the entire run it helped me realize it isn't that bad. Also since your their so often just try blue runs a few times through out the day so your not just falling the entire time and getting discouraged. Also try and bring a friend that's better then you, snowboarder preferably but even another skiier helps. I had a friend on ski's that was light years ahead of me so trying to keep up with him also helped push me along. Not so much trying to start me off on black runs when I could barley stand lol

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OP, I don't know if this applies to you at all, but since you mentioned having problems turning toeside, I had that problem when I first started riding steeper blues after greens and easy blues. Turns out, my shoulder was rotated open when turning from heelside to toeside (I ride regular) AND I was bending at the waist on my toeside. Once I fixed those things, the problem went away. This was pointed out to me in a private intermediate-level lesson I took a while back.

Also, as another poster said, commit. As an exercise, pick a spot ahead of you, and turn when you hit that spot.
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I gotta second whoever said a lesson. All of us on here telling you to drop down blacks, commit, lean forward, etc. won't do 1/10th of what a good instructor could do in a couple hours.

My GF has gone from brand new and quite accident prone, to legitimately riding (i.e. not sliding down) rocky mountain double blacks in about 3 full seasons, and I think a big part of that is she took a lesson every 10-15 days on the snow.
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+1 for lessons, even informal ones with someone better than you

-1 for dropping in a black at this stage, you could become a statistic...you don't want to become a statistic
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Trying a black run at Whistler is a bad idea

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This is in my opinion bad advice for Whistler, where the blues are pretty tough compared to most places to begin with and the guy's not sure if he should retreat to greens. I could see this if he was at some smaller hill where the blacks might not be too hard but in general at Whistler they're pretty tough and he should get the hang of blues first.
You're absolutely right. Blues and blacks at Whistler are pretty intense. I found out the hard way today. A skier told me the Upper Fraser blue run is notoriously difficult and advised I take the black Dave Murray run instead. Big mistake! It was soooo steep and moguled that I only managed to get in a handful of turns. The rest of the time I had to do the falling leaf down the slope. Even that was tough because the run was so challenging. Not fun at all. And I'm not sure it did anything to improve my boarding. In fact, it eroded my confidence.

I am going to try to some easier blue runs to push the envelope a bit. But I am nowhere near ready for a black run at Whistler.

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I gotta second whoever said a lesson. All of us on here telling you to drop down blacks, commit, lean forward, etc. won't do 1/10th of what a good instructor could do in a couple hours.

My GF has gone from brand new and quite accident prone, to legitimately riding (i.e. not sliding down) rocky mountain double blacks in about 3 full seasons, and I think a big part of that is she took a lesson every 10-15 days on the snow.
I did take a few lessons when I first started and had a FANTASTIC teacher at Whistler named Kosta. His style of teaching was a great balance between providing support and encouraging me to push the envelope a bit to boost my confidence. I've come a long way since I started in December. I can ride down an entire green run linking turns without falling now. That is a big deal for me because I think I'm probably a bit more cautious than most new boarders given my ripe old age of 51.


Also, I do ride with a friend who is a better boarder than I. That pushes me to keep up. But I may take another lesson soon to see if I'm developing any bad habits.

I came across this youtube video lesson about riding on steep slopes. What impressions do you all have about the advice and techniques in the vid? How To Snowboard: Riding Steeps - YouTube

BTW, thanks everyone for all your help, support, and input. I really appreciate it. Your advice has made me a better boarder.

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Assuming you follow CassMT's advice and don't become a statistic, even the most terrible unfun runs like that teach your body something, especially when you go back to a green. Don't Give Up!!

Given the amount of time you get up at Whistler, I would get on the "lesson" band wagon. Not only is it bound to help your technique, who better to steer you in the right direction in terms of runs that are in your "skill spectrum" than a certified instructor who just spent an hour or two watching you board. Seems like on a mountain of that size, there should be a nice set of groomed progression runs that you could step through while practicing your techniques, getting comfortable with speed, and work on handling varying snow conditions. I dunno.

Most of my season is on Mid Atlantic mountains, but just came back from a week at Sun Valley. It was pretty big, and there was definitely something to that "color ratings are relative to other runs ON THIS MOUNTAIN" thing, because a blue at Sun Valley could be significantly more challenging that the average blue run found in MD, PA or WV. Not to mention about 3 times as long. We got a tour from a couple of locals the first day, but I still felt like I had to be careful not to end up somewhere that I couldn't get out of in one piece.
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How steep are these blue runs?
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