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Old 03-30-2013, 03:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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This is such a troll thread.

OP doesn't want your honest opinion, he wants you to say "wow man you can cork your 3's, that's so rad!".

I know so many guys that learned varial kickflips skateboarding because they were fucking up their kickflips and they were like "rad man I got varial flips". They could not do kickflips though, and the varial versions were horrid because they weren't really trying for those either.

Landing one trick because you fucked up another isn't progression.

If you are injured maybe you should stop snowboarding until you're able to do so without pain. But getting pissed at everyone that's giving you good advice is just dumb. You change your story with every post and your ego clearly is not capable of taking criticism so I suggest not posting on a forum at all. Every one is telling you to back it up and learn fundamentals, stop getting upset at them for being honest.
Someone doesn't know how to read. I challenged only one person because i didnt have a true understanding of why not, which two people proceeded to clarify for me which I even thanked them for. Then someone else chimes in giving you support on issues already addressed.. How am I getting pissed at everyone? Can you show me? I think anybody deserves a clear understanding when they post a thread asking for advice? I'm not looking for anyone to pat my back, there are people far better than me obviously so why would I care? Don't have to get all pissy because you couldn't answer the question as thoroughly as the other two have. It's okay I appreciate it though. Anyway this is getting off hand.. Ill be working on mastering control of regular rotations both front and back and even the 1s in order to have full understanding and control of the board rotating in mid air. Happy?

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Old 03-30-2013, 04:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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This is such a troll thread.

OP doesn't want your honest opinion, he wants you to say "wow man you can cork your 3's, that's so rad!".
From where I sit, it doesn't look like OP is the one keeping the flames going.

Seems to me that this has been beaten to death.
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
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So when I said I used shitty wording to illustrate my confusion on how this even came to be and me saying that it was poor wording wasn't good enough for you? Wow. Anyway, I also said I have issues with other rotations because my injury. Pretty sure that means I'm making a conscious decision to purposely use a different attempt to avoid further aggravating my injury. Planet wasn't good enough? Get a ball. pierce a stick through it off centered. Now rotate the ball around the stick. Off centered rotation. Same thing. Are you just trying to troll me or something? And I'm not gonna post a video to satisfy a trolls doubt.
Planet, ball... It doesn't matter. I said it wasn't a good analogy because it doesn't apply, I wasn't looking for a lesson on off-axis spinning. A ball is a simple, symmetrical object. It doesn't have a long body, limbs, and a snowboard attached to it perpendicularly. And as Jed already explained, corked 3's(on a snowboard by a human, not by venus) just aren't done.
I couldnt care less whether you post a video and your reasoning for not doing it...because in the end, I'm not the one looking for help.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:27 AM   #24 (permalink)
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It has been my personal experience and coaching experience that corking backside spins is an easy habit to get into and seems to be caused primarily from diving into the spin or dipping the front shoulder if that makes sense.
Yup, after I first learned regular back 5s and started turning them into cork back 5s it was very hard for me to flatten them out again so I can take them to bigger spins and jumps. It was only just this year that I finally started really being able to control how much I cork depending on the jump I am hitting and it feels awesome to actually be able to control it and not just throw it, hoping I come around to my feet.

I never had a problem with it on jumps smaller then 30-40 feet but once I started trying to take it to bigger jumps I would over cork the rotation and end up on my back, which never feels good.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:14 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Tangential question (was going to start my own thread, but it fits here):

I took the opportunity to hit up an air bag today. I finished my allotted runs and the guy told me I could just lap it til closing - about 45 min more. So I kind of built in some muscle memory (not necessarily good).

The kicker to this thing was a straight up vertical booter, like most are I believe. I was trying to practice regular spins (mostly front side), but kept rotating off axis. I tried to get my weight on my front, pop with both feet, etc, but I couldn't flatten the thing out.

My question: is it harder to do flat 360s/540s/etc on one of these really steep kickers?

I went to the park after, and did a jump line I normally hit. My balance was all fucked up and I kept landing in the backseat.
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:15 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I think spinning (or rather trying) is much harder on steep kickers. It seems by nature, they are going to cork you. I hate those steep ones and if they don't have kickers that give a flatter trajectory, I use the roller to the side to get my air.

I was trying to spin as hard as possible and I kept landing on my back (occasionally my head!). It did not give me a lot of confidence to huck one on a regular jump. It should be easier on the regular jump, so I'll just go, 1,3,5,.... and work my way slowly up.
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I was trying to spin as hard as possible and I kept landing on my back (occasionally my head!). It did not give me a lot of confidence to huck one on a regular jump. It should be easier on the regular jump, so I'll just go, 1,3,5,.... and work my way slowly up.
Saw your reply in the other thread asking for my input here, always happy to help.

As far as steep jumps goes, it can be harder to spin off those super steep jumps mainly because they tend to favor corked spins which most people learning spinning aren't trying to do yet.

The important thing with those steep jumps is your pop and balance technique on the jump is even more important than normal because you don't want to end up upside down by accident.

In regards to your spinning, I'd recommend actually not trying to spin as hard as possible. Often the reason people throw their spin technique off is they're trying too hard to huck the spin instead of focusing on using good carving+release technique that will make the spin happen naturally.

For example, with perfect carving technique and pop+timing you can actually spin 360s with basically no pre-wind and hucking. Try to focus on technique and timing instead of the amount of strength you use to execute the spin.

Here's a blog I did that might help you: The Secret To An Effortless 360 Rotation - The Perfect Carve Line

Feel free to ask if you need me to clarify anything.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:35 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Awesome Jed. Thanks. Will take some time to read/digest the blog post and get back to you if necessary.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:42 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Saw your reply in the other thread asking for my input here, always happy to help.

As far as steep jumps goes, it can be harder to spin off those super steep jumps mainly because they tend to favor corked spins which most people learning spinning aren't trying to do yet.

The important thing with those steep jumps is your pop and balance technique on the jump is even more important than normal because you don't want to end up upside down by accident.

In regards to your spinning, I'd recommend actually not trying to spin as hard as possible. Often the reason people throw their spin technique off is they're trying too hard to huck the spin instead of focusing on using good carving+release technique that will make the spin happen naturally.

For example, with perfect carving technique and pop+timing you can actually spin 360s with basically no pre-wind and hucking. Try to focus on technique and timing instead of the amount of strength you use to execute the spin.

Here's a blog I did that might help you: The Secret To An Effortless 360 Rotation - The Perfect Carve Line

Feel free to ask if you need me to clarify anything.
This I can obviously apply to myself as well and I think this will help a lot with Me being hesitant because I'm trying to muscle so much It's torquing my ankle.

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Generally, yes learning to do any snowboarding movement creates muscle memory. The more you do your BS 360`s corked the more ingrained they will become and this will add extra challenge to learning to do them in a level flight attitude.


The reason these guys have urged you to step back to 180`s is because the 180 does not require any prewinding and it is a much easier backside spin to accomplish from a slight toeside carve and a pop. This will help you dial in the feel of initiating the spin with a much quieter upper body and more level flight attitude.
The first part I think is what i was generally trying to ask? But Yeah now I know better. I'll be out there again on Sunday and will work on controlling normal rotations and the 1s

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