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sticking with my original advice...at least til you have the feel of the jump...if you pop and you are not ready, or off, you are fukt
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sticking with my original advice...at least til you have the feel of the jump...if you pop and you are not ready, or off, you are fukt
But the way to absorb kick is to push against it and pop. If you try to absorb kick by doing nothing you get pulled into the transition of the jump and thrown off balance.

Popping isn't rocket science. You can (and should) practice the technique on just flat ground. You don't even have to pop hard because pop isn't about how high you pop anyway, it's about setting you up for a balanced, stable air.

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you absorb by absorbing, not by doing nothing...thats all i'll say

OP, let us know what happens
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Popping isn't rocket science.
but projectile motion is... with air resistance the optimal take off angle for the furthest distance is around 40 degrees. Id guess an average park take off is in the 30 degree range, beginner jumps being less. Steep jumps are in the 45+ degree range. When trying to get comfortable with a new jump i prefer to hit it with the least amount of speed needed to make it to the landing. Later on add more speed and more pop to take the jump bigger.

When you pop you are effectively increasing you take off angle. On steep jumps this reduces the distance traveled, meaning you need more speed to make it to the landing. If you stand tall at the beginning of the take off and slowly compress as you reach the lip you can effectively decrease the your take off angle making it closer to the optimal 40 degrees, giving you more distance at less speed. You will see this in boardercross where riders want to limit the height they get off the jump.

The OP hasnt posted much about where his trouble is arising, or the true shape of the jump other than it seems steep to him. Some steep jumps have an very abrupt angle in the transition between the down hill slope and the the beginning of the take off. This puts many beginners off balance before they reach the lip. Absorbing this transition, and keeping your body in control up the take off is crucial.

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but projectile motion is... with air resistance the optimal take off angle for the furthest distance is around 40 degrees. Id guess an average park take off is in the 30 degree range, beginner jumps being less. Steep jumps are in the 45+ degree range. When trying to get comfortable with a new jump i prefer to hit it with the least amount of speed needed to make it to the landing. Later on add more speed and more pop to take the jump bigger.

When you pop you are effectively increasing you take off angle. On steep jumps this reduces the distance traveled, meaning you need more speed to make it to the landing. If you stand tall at the beginning of the take off and slowly compress as you reach the lip you can effectively decrease the your take off angle making it closer to the optimal 40 degrees, giving you more distance at less speed. You will see this in boardercross where riders want to limit the height they get off the jump.

The OP hasnt posted much about where his trouble is arising, or the true shape of the jump other than it seems steep to him. Some steep jumps have an very abrupt angle in the transition between the down hill slope and the the beginning of the take off. This puts many beginners off balance before they reach the lip. Absorbing this transition, and keeping your body in control up the take off is crucial.
My problem is that I land too much on the rear. The jumps are steep right away, like not much progression in the angle. It goes from flat - steep in a very short distance, I guess u could say. The landing is also pretty steep so its kinda hard to land on the rear lol
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^ Thats why you pop, to level out and control yourself in the air so you land matching the landing, not the takeoff (backseat).
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keep weight on the front foot at all costs, on the landing too, better to go forward over the handlebars than land on your back or neck/head...stay forward
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My problem is that I land too much on the rear. The jumps are steep right away, like not much progression in the angle. It goes from flat - steep in a very short distance, I guess u could say. The landing is also pretty steep so its kinda hard to land on the rear lol
your landing on the tail because you are not balanced on the take off

sounds like you letting the abrupt transition from the down hill slope to the take off put you off balance, trying to ollie while your off balance isnt going to help. Work on absorbing the transition by bending your front leg, and putting your weight towards the nose of the board. Stay low with the weight slightly forward as you take off from the lip. Once in the air you need to be looking at the landing and thinking about putting the board down flat, not tail first. Having your weight slightly forward on take off will help you get the nose to come down in the air, pulling the back leg up more than the front will help the board match the angle of the landing. Landing with a little more weight on the front leg will allow you to make a controlled turn after landing, it will also help keep you balance if the transition from the landing to the slope is also abrupt.

Hang out at the jump for a while and see how other beginners are hitting the feature. Figure out there approach technique and their speed. If its seems that no one can else hit the jump with out gettin bucked then maybe the jump just really sucks.

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Erm, no offense, but that's really bad advice, please do not do this OP. Sucking your legs in and not popping is basically how you end up getting thrown off balance on a kicky jump.

To avoid getting thrown off balanced by steep, kicky jumps, focus more on your pop. The more kicky a jump, the more you have to focus on popping with strong legs while you push against the jump that's trying to send you off balanced.

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Focus on having strong pop and push against the compression of the jump with your legs to avoid getting kicked off balance.

If it makes you feel any better, even good snowboarders hate kicky jumps, so it's not just a beginner thing. For whatever reason a lot of skiers seem to like them though.
Ya, have to agree with Jed here.

That's a sure fire way to end up upside down when you hit the landing.


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This is just stupid and dangerous. Please stop giving bad advice.

The OP needs to pop properly to avoid getting thrown off balance by a steep kicky jump. Every problem he describes is basically a symptom of not using pop to fight against the kick and get a balanced air.

He's already said the jump is steep and kicky and you guys keep giving him random advice that isn't going to solve his initial problem of being thrown off balance by the kick.

Good pop is what he needs to fight the kick of the jump. Period.

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