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chomps1211 04-11-2013 03:21 PM

Want to improve butters. (..64 yo buttering vid. Has me shamed!)
 
After watching Serious Cat's video post of that 64 Yo codger buttering the fuck outta his board, I got to wondering. I've been working on the same thing this season and I noticed It looks to me like this guy's got one hell of a wide stance on that board. I was wondering if widening my stance would help me improve my butters over all?

On my 3 boards I run my stance's between 21-1/2 in. To 23-3/4. The narrowest stance oddly enough is on my longest, stiffest board. My Arbor 163W.
I'm running 23-1/2 & 23-3/4 respectively on my RGR 159cm and NS Proto CT 157. I've been doing pretty good but I still have some trouble with balance or over pressing and having the board shooting out from underneath me.

Not to mention my pressed nose n tail spins are nowhere near as smooth or fluid as his appear to be on the vid. He's almost got a Ti Chi looking body position when he spins.

Just wondering if part of my problem might be my comparatively narrower stance? (...I've have the SA Vid tutorials on butters and regularly refer to them btw!)

Extremo 04-11-2013 05:19 PM

If you practice even a little you'll get that good at them pretty quick. But that dude is was pretty spry for 64. Def impressed by that. A 23.75 stance should be plenty on your Proto. That dude was riding a Pickle which is super rocker so that's making it a lot easier for him. The Proto presses well enough so I'd recommend learning on that. And it's not so soft that it'll fold underneath you. Detuning the tips down through the effective edge will help with catching too. You'll be surprised how quick you pick it up if you spend some time on it.

Edit: Try it out at 24.5. Not sure how tall you are but it couldn't hurt for a day, just to see how it compares.

jdang307 04-11-2013 06:33 PM

Anyone have a link to this video? I tried to improve my butters this year but it looked like margarine.

EDIT: Found it.

He's pretty good for 64! He wasn't getting much lift on his butters and presses though. Barely any on a rockered board like that. Not knocking him of course, he's smooth and having fun.

chomps1211 04-14-2013 07:21 AM

Wider Stance Update
 
I got up to Boyne this weekend and decided to make the change on the Rome GR first. I made a mistake on the stance width's I posted earlier for the NS & RGR boards! My short term memory sucks!!! ;) (Too many years in my teens and 20's engaging in "Better Living Thru Chemistry!!") :laugh:

The stance width on the RGR was at 22 1/4,.. (The proto is at 23" even!) I widened the RGR one set of inserts and it is now at 24"!! I like it!!!!
It felt WAY more stable when just doing straight buttering, and for the pressed turns it's working out nice too! It felt so much more stable that I was willing to try and get them a little more tricked out by adding "Nollie's" into them! I haven't got that dialed in or looking smooth yet, but I am sticking most of them so far!!!

Today I am going to widen up my stance on the Proto CT. I'm a little hesitant only because doing so will take it from 23" to a VERY wide 25"!! I'm 6ft.tall, but only a 32" inseam BTW! (...I think that's what's referred to as "Tall In The Saddle!") Most of my height is in my torso! I'm gonna give it a try cuz I can always switch it back, but it is an awfully wide stance don't you think? Opinions?

Deacon 04-14-2013 08:23 AM

It makes sense that you'd have your most narrow stance on you stiffest board... At least to me. You're gonna get much better flex for carving if you weight is closer to the center of the board. I ride a board that is too big for me, and it was a LOT easier to turn once I brought my stance down. it also damped that choppy Midwest ice better.

chomps1211 04-14-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Deacon (Post 911490)
It makes sense that you'd have your most narrow stance on you stiffest board... At least to me. You're gonna get much better flex for carving if you weight is closer to the center of the board. I ride a board that is too big for me, and it was a LOT easier to turn once I brought my stance down. it also damped that choppy Midwest ice better.

Thanks for the reply. You know that makes sense to me too now that you described it like that. That's probably why I didn't like it when I tried a little wider stance on the Arbor last year. I definitely didn't like how it rode after going wider. That's the main reason I didnt try any other stance widths on the other two boards.

I did go with the 25" stance today on the Neversummer. Again,.. I really liked it!! The butters, spins, they all felt better, more stable on both boards with the much wider stance. My regular riding felt a little different. Not bad or awkward. Just different. But it did not appear to be a detriment. I was still able to bomb the steep stuff pretty fast! (...now remember I'm talking steep for MI!) I think my tight turns are even better with the wider stance. So, I think I'll keep em like this n see how I progress with feeling a bit more stable on the boards.
:D

snowklinger 04-14-2013 05:10 PM

I'm just a spry 37 year old but I've been learning butters alot this year and getting better at them. They are a great workout.

More than anything just start fucking around ALOT at slow speeds when you have alot of room, try to get retarded with your edge control, that's really where buttering is at, more than flexing your board.

Also your Proto will break in alot compared to how it is pressing now, especially if u keep on it. I also found nose and tail rolls to be a good starting point for buttering.

Just doing a butter spin is pretty easy, nose and tail rolls, but connecting them with 180's with a little speed is where shit gets fun and real....360's too but I have only done a couple of those much less figured out how to press into one.

Karasene 04-14-2013 05:18 PM

Butters are my pocket trick. Funnest thing to do on a board especially when you're hauling ass. I ride a really wide stance so I can't compare ease between narrow or not. Softer board helps a lot obviously. Good luck.

CassMT 04-14-2013 06:06 PM

Just don't do it under the chair all day, ppl will think ski ballet has made a comeback:D

snowklinger 04-14-2013 07:23 PM

Fuck yes
 
I just watched that video.....fuck, that bs 3 he does off the hip ....really?!?!?! fuck I'm so stoked to go out there and hurt myself this week.

BTW when I said fuck around with your edges, its basically what he's doing then you get comfy enough with it you just install presses.

I may be a sap, romcoms don't do much for me, but this shit seriously gets me all veclempt and inspired and shit.



his thanks at the end are awesome, his son, wife makin dinner and not having to do yard work. What a hero.


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