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post #21 of 55 (permalink) Old 12-12-2008, 12:29 PM
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I use the analogy of riding a bicycle and that steering movements start from the front wheel not the rear wheel...you would not steer a bike from the rear wheel would you?? it seems to work well, and helps when we imagine riding that bike (snowboard) down a single track trail.. this teaches people to look where they want to go, and this helps with alignment issues and spatially orienting noobs when they are getting comfy just sliding on the snow withe a stick strapped to their feet.

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The more real world analogies we can use to tap into students learning pathways, the more succesful you will be as an instructor, and all your studenst will have more success and those ahh haa moments..
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post #22 of 55 (permalink) Old 12-12-2008, 12:53 PM
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haha, thank you everyone for these awesome analogies! i didn't know one could come up with so many ways to describe the motion.
they actually really helped me visualize what i am supposed to be doing.
and im going snowboarding this weekend, so i'm gonna tryy and put all this advice to use!

thanks again
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oneplankawanka, the bike is a great analogy for the importance of not leaning back because you can give people the mental imagery of trying to steer a bike while doing a wheelie.

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bike analogy is no good. bicycle uses counter-steering.

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^ care to expand?

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post #26 of 55 (permalink) Old 12-12-2008, 02:03 PM
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bike analogy is no good. bicycle uses counter-steering.
I would argue at the apex of the turn yes, but not during turn initiation...I have seen it work over and over. I will continue to use it because it works
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I would argue at the apex of the turn yes, but not during turn initiation...I have seen it work over and over. I will continue to use it because it works
Counter-steering occurs ONLY during turn initiation. When you go to make a left turn on a bicycle going more than 4 or 5 mph, you push the left side of the handlebar out...this momentarily turns the wheel to the right and cause the bike to sort of collapse into a lean for a left turn. Similar to the front wheel sort of tripping over itself.

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When you go to make a left turn on a bicycle going more than 4 or 5 mph, you push the left side of the handlebar out...this momentarily turns the wheel to the right...
this makes no sense to me at all. when i want to turn left on a bike, i do not turn the wheel to the right. i turn it to the left (left side in).

i agree with oneplankawanka - the bike analogy is, in this context, a simple one which works well.

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I suppose technically you are correct...most of my new students are not going fast enough when initiating to make counter steering movements efficent or necessary. Im a high speed turn on a bike then yes, counter steering would be the most appropriate techniwque, but not a snowboard. I am trying to get across to my students how important the leading foot is.. as opposed to the rear foot. LETS HERE SOME MORE FEEDBACK ??
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That's what I am saying. The analogy doesn't hold up because on a bike you counter-steer, but not on a snowboard.

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