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Old 10-18-2013, 05:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 270 Boardslides/Lipslides BS/FS Confusion

270 Boardslides/Lipslides are kind of confusing for me.

I learned that 270 on lipslides are default, 270 boardslides are the alley-oop (unnatural) kind right? Although this doesnt make sense (imo it should be the other way around), i accepted this.

But is the slide called BS or FS once you land on the rail?

Lets take this as an example:

How To: Backside 270 Lipslide With Louif Paradis - TransWorld SNOWboarding - YouTube

Louif is doing a Backside 270 Lipslide. But is it a FS or a BS Lipslide?

Logically it should be a BS 270 to FS Lipslide, since he's approaching the rail frontside.

But i've seen a lot of videos etc. that call this a BS 270 to BS Lipslide.

Nyjah Huston, Backside 270 Kickflip to Backside Lipslide - YouTube

I know its Skateboarding and he throws in a Kickflip, but aside from that its still the same trick. But its called BS Flip 270 to BS Lipslide. Although if you look at the comments a lot of people call it a BS 270 to FS Lipslide.

This confuses me.... What do you guys think? Who can clear this up for me.
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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When spinning onto a rail at anything 180 degrees or over, the FS/BS nomenclature is designated by the direction of the spin and not which side of the rail you approach. I think you already know that but just starting there.

As for the lipslide, I would just call it a board slide. I guess since his tail is crossing over the rail before landing on it, it could be a lipslide technically, but it seems redundant or unnecessary to call it a lipslide every time. I (and I think most announcers) would just call it (the Louif video) a BS 270 in to board slide (or nose slide, tail slide, blunt, whatever depending on the variation).

In other words, a rider performing a BS 270 in will always land in the same orientation, so there's no need to add extra detail by trying to name what kind of slide it is. If you called it a FS lipslide people would imagine (for a regular rider) the board spinning in the opposite direction of this trick (like a regular 90 degree FS lipslide). And if you called it a BS lipslide you'd imagine the rider coming from the other side of the rail. So both of those sound confusing and unnecessary. BS 270 to boardslide for sure.

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Old 10-18-2013, 05:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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But wouldnt a BS 270 Boardslide be approached from the heelside (rail on the left for regular) instead?

Like this:

Ryan Barrett- BS 270 Boardslide 270 Out - Transworld Snowboarding

I think there clearly is a difference between 270 Lip/Boardslides...
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In that photo he's approaching with the rail on the right and he's on his toe edge. That name is correct.

If you're doing a BS 270 in approaching on your heel edge with the rail on your left that would be called a hardway BS 270 as can be seen here: Top 10 Tricks Of 2011 - Transworld Snowboarding
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Spinning hardway onto a rail is the same as lipslides. It's just that usually lipslides are moving your board 90 degrees on and spinning anything over that (180 and up) would be called spinning hardway.

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Old 10-18-2013, 07:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Top 10 Tricks Of 2011 - Transworld Snowboarding

Thats exactly what i meant. I would call that a BS 270 Boardslide though, or a Hardway BS 270 like you said... Are you 100% sure that 270 Hardway is the equivalent to 270 Lipslide? I know, it would make sense, since you're aproaching the rail with your tail first after take off, like you would on a normal Lipslide. But i thought its exactly the opposite, despite the logic...

That would mean Louif Paradis is wrong...

Also in the picture i posted, its kind of hard to tell from which side he is approaching, maybe thats not the best example.

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Backside 270 boardslide and Hardway backside 270 boardslide are completely different. The approach of a Hardway backside 270 would be the same as a lipslide. It's just that it's not called a lipslide with more than 90 degrees of board rotation.

I can see the confusion though, and I think that's because the Youtube video is called a backside 270 lipslide, which is ambiguous and a bit inaccurate. In the actual video itself, it says backside 270 (which is exactly what he's doing) TO lipslide. He also says "backside 270 to lipslide". Therefore, lipslide is just the position he's in once he's locked into the rail but has nothing to do with his approach. The Youtube video title backside 270 lipslide makes it SOUND like he's approaching like a lipslide.

To be honest, even though he's not wrong, I think it's a weird way to call that trick. Backside 270 to boardslide would make more sense.

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Old 10-18-2013, 10:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Snowboarders have fucked these terms up so bad it's not even funny anymore. Check the comments on that Nijah clip the guy named it wrong.

Let me make this very simple for you. This is a fact no matter what trick your doing or how you are getting on.

***If you are approaching the rail and it is in front of you (chest) the trick is frontside. If you approach the rail and it is behind you it is backside.

***If your front foot goes over the rail it is a boardslide. If your backfoot goes over the rail it is a lipslide.

***Hardway is what you call it when you spin what is considered the more difficult way. So for FS approach a a FS spin would be hardway.

So Louif is doing a front 270 lip. He actually called it a BS 270 "to" lip in the on screen title which I guess is still correct. It's more an explanation then a name. It's like saying Im gonna do a BS 270 and land in a FS lip. If you just said FS 270 lip its the same thing. If you said hardway FS 270 Lip that would mean he did a FS 270 on.
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The Youtube video title backside 270 lipslide makes it SOUND like he's approaching like a lipslide.
FYI the approach for a boardslide and a lipslide are the same. FS and BS approach is what changes as well as which foot goes over the rail.
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