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Old 03-04-2014, 04:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah that guys style was pretty bad in a technical sense! Just the best vid I found showing the pace of quick turns...

Also, you want to bring your board ACROSS the fall line to control speed, while keeping your upper body pointing down hill.

Here's a video from our old buddy. Skip over to 4:15 to see what I'm talking about. He has good body separation (the upper body stays facing one directions while the lower half is rotating), and he's getting his board across the fall line. This is the best way to control speed.

IMO that video is the best. Most people refer to carving and completely separate it from skidded turns (so it almost becomes like slalom/boarder X), this was very confusing to me when I wanted to control speed on steeper runs...

I only used cross-under turns when i needed to either maneouver around skiers or a quick acceleration burst..... until i saw that video. Clear as light. Took me 1 run to get the basic down, now i'm working on improving the technique.

One thing i really like but i'm not sure if it's proper technique is starting a carve like a cross under, but finishing it as a cross over..... feels pretty awesome.
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Old 03-04-2014, 04:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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One thing i really like but i'm not sure if it's proper technique is starting a carve like a cross under, but finishing it as a cross over..... feels pretty awesome.
This is my favorite style when on steep on-piste runs. Although it's tough to do with a crowd around (as the OP mentioned). Ultimately carving with NO slide is the best feeling you get while turning a board... Just feels so right!

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I'm confused. Isn't that still a cross under turn?
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm confused. Isn't that still a cross under turn?
Not really, if you look at the way his body and weight are arranged about midway through the carve, he's in a cross over turn.... but the very start of the turn (ie the turn transition and how he switches edges) is like a cross-under. (He doesnt ALWAYS do this, some turns are full cross-under, but many turns are a mix). And also, you dont have to go all the way and finish the turn, you can cross-under and switch the edge at any point in the turn, it all depends on how you manage your knees and toe/heel pressure.

The guy in that video is doing it beyond right though... like text book carving. It gets a bit harder to do that in a duck stance or with less camber or on a very steep or crowded hill.

In my case, i did a lot of cross over and then pure speed checks to control speed... but that left me squaring my body and on steep runs it was really difficult to keep an edge. Also, going full carve with no skid simply carries too much speed... so these mixed turns help you engage the edges with the power of a cross under, while bleeding a bit of speed if you want (and altering the turn radius) with your rear leg without needing to square your body.

I'm nowhere near advanced... but that's more or less the way i see it.

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Ok, I think we are on the same page. I've always thought of "cross-under" and "cross-over" as how the turn is initiated. Once the turn is initiated I weight over the edge in a cross-over fashion. So I guess I do the hybrid style too. Or try to.
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cross under and cross over terminology is going away. start thinking about how you un-weight the board. do you extend at the initiation of the turn or do you flex? this is the question you need to ask yourself. both are correct, just different.
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cross under and cross over terminology is going away. start thinking about how you un-weight the board. do you extend at the initiation of the turn or do you flex? this is the question you need to ask yourself. both are correct, just different.
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Snowboarding is just flat out "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"
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Some good advice given here on this thread. Another point is plan ahead while riding don't react while riding. Look and plan two turns ahead as you ride. Your control and riding skill will increase dramatically riding/planning ahead.
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Snowboarding is just flat out "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"
Except when you're on a steep icy hill with a full rocker board. That takes the whole califragilisticexpialidociousness out of it.
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