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cookiedog 03-03-2014 10:45 AM

Speed Control
 
Hi everybody,
So I'm faced with the problem riding moderately steep hills and hope I can get some advice. I starred snowboarding this season and with help from YouTube I taught myself everything from proper stance to linking turns and now I'm riding greens with certain amount of confidence. But I'm having hard time controlling my speed on less steeper parts of the run especially when I find myself on a crowded run where I can't do wider S turns to slow down. I saw more advanced snowboarders passing by with much higher speed and making very short sweeps with their back foot and front foot still pointing down the hill and it seems like this kind of moves allow them to control speed much better.
I hope I described it properly and maybe somebody can tell me how to do this :)

poutanen 03-03-2014 10:55 AM

IMHO, the best method of speed control is controlled linked turns. Usually larger S turns are going to be higher speed, so you want to do shorter sharper turns, really digging the edge in more to control your speed.

Check out this video, there is some pretty bad technique going on here with arms swinging, odd stance, etc. But look at the rhythm and pace of the turns. That is what you want to aim for to control your speed on a crowded hill, or narrow run, in the trees, etc.

Learn to do short radius turns and it'll really amp up your riding!



Also, don't hesitate to get a lesson. Youtube is good, but it's not a coach. Nobody made it to the olympics by having youtube coach them... :D

linvillegorge 03-03-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cookiedog (Post 1583746)
Hi everybody,
So I'm faced with the problem riding moderately steep hills and hope I can get some advice. I starred snowboarding this season and with help from YouTube I taught myself everything from proper stance to linking turns and now I'm riding greens with certain amount of confidence. But I'm having hard time controlling my speed on less steeper parts of the run especially when I find myself on a crowded run where I can't do wider S turns to slow down. I saw more advanced snowboarders passing by with much higher speed and making very short sweeps with their back foot and front foot still pointing down the hill and it seems like this kind of moves allow them to control speed much better.
I hope I described it properly and maybe somebody can tell me how to do this :)

Don't do that. That's a terrible habit often called "ruddering".

There are certain situations such as tight trees and moguls where sometimes you just have to do what you have to do, but on an open slope there's not place for ruddering. You'll have much better control over your board making proper turns.

cookiedog 03-03-2014 11:14 AM

So what is the alternative? just making shorter more dynamic linked turns?

poutanen 03-03-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cookiedog (Post 1583922)
So what is the alternative? just making shorter more dynamic linked turns?

Yes. Get aggressive, bend you knees, go on a slope that is pretty empty where you're comfortable making large turns, and start trying to do them quicker and quicker.

There's a rhythm you can get into when you can end up making really quick sharp dynamic turns. And if you're bending your knees and riding aggressively, you can control speed really well like that. When I get out on a 35-40 degree slope, rarely am I making big wide sweeping fast turns, it's short, sharp, determined turns to control speed.

cookiedog 03-03-2014 11:21 AM

Thanks a lot, I'm going on this weekend I'll try to do what you said.:yahoo:

chomps1211 03-03-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by poutanen (Post 1583826)
Check out this video, there is some pretty bad technique going on here with arms swinging, odd stance, etc. But look at the rhythm and pace of the turns. That is what you want to aim for to control your speed on a crowded hill, or narrow run, in the trees, etc.

Learn to do short radius turns and it'll really amp up your riding!


Oh I dunno? That looks an awful lot like the "disco" method you mentioned to me in one of my video critique requests last year! LOL!:giggle: :eusa_clap:

Put on some disco track on in the bg and watch it again. Looks like he's "boogyoogy -oogying" to me! :laugh::giggle:;)




To the OP,.. That kind of speed control is also where being able to "rudder with your back foot can come in handy too. May not be the "preferred" proper form, but you can still maintain speed and control while scrubbing some speed whenever necessary. All while still pointing your board generally down the slope!

poutanen 03-03-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chomps1211 (Post 1584002)
Oh I dunno? That looks an awful lot like the "disco" method you mentioned to me in one of my video critique requests last year! LOL!:giggle: :eusa_clap:

All while still pointing your board generally down the slope!

Yeah that guys style was pretty bad in a technical sense! Just the best vid I found showing the pace of quick turns... :D

Also, you want to bring your board ACROSS the fall line to control speed, while keeping your upper body pointing down hill.

Here's a video from our old buddy. Skip over to 4:15 to see what I'm talking about. He has good body separation (the upper body stays facing one directions while the lower half is rotating), and he's getting his board across the fall line. This is the best way to control speed.


cookiedog 03-04-2014 09:44 AM

This Woolf scared shit out me it was so loud :D

t21 03-04-2014 04:07 PM

That snowolf vid taught me how to control speed. I too never took lessons, just videos,watching others,and some pointers from my neighbor who is an instructor helped me out. time on the mountain helps more than anything. One important thing is to keep your body aligned with the board,knees bent, relax, and not bent over from your waist . The first vid(short swings) shows he can do short skidded turns on mellow runs but if you notice on the second segment on his video and a slightly steeper hill, his bent over from the waist, that is NOT what you want to do. So as a fellow youtuber lesson watcher:) keep practicing and have fun.


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