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      Great review! This is going be your 3rd season with them? I am guessing they are holding up well?

      Any experience with the Perceive lenses that replaced the Sonar by Zeiss?
      I have a feeling that Perceive is an lens system Anon has developed independantly in order to break away from licensing/cost of running with lenses from Zeiss.

       
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      ❄ Burton [ak] Helitack 2L GORE-TEX® Snowboard Jacket Review.



      ❄ Brand: Burton.
      ❄ Model: [ak] Helitack.
      ❄ YOM: 2019, 2020,
      ❄ Waterproofing: GORE-TEX® Stretch Twill Fabic [2-Layer]
      ❄ Insulation: (2019) Stretch Lightweight 20 Denier Down-Proof Lining (120grms Body / 100grms Hood and Sleeves), (2020) Thermacore™ Stretch Insulation (100grms Body / 60grms Sleeves),
      ❄ Size: Mens XL (Chest 43-46", Waist 37-40").

      ❄ Fit: Regular Articulated,
      ❄ Venting: Open (2019), Mesh-Lined No-Snag Pit Zip™ Vents (2020)
      ❄ Colour: "Sparrow" (2019), "True Black" (2020).
      ❄ Price: $Au 649.99 RRP @2019, $Au779.99 RRP ($US589.99) @2023.
      ❄ Rider: 192cm (6'4") 93kg (205lbs).
      ❄ Rider Outerwear: Giro Range helmet, Anon M4 goggles, Burton [ak] Cyclic pants, [ak] Powergrid base layer, [ak] Guide gloves, [ak] Endurance socks, Burton SLX boots, Quiksilver TR Platinum 24L riders backpack,
      ❄ Board: Bataleon Surfer 159 / Genesis X Re:Flex™ (large),
      ❄ Camera: GoPro Hero 7 Black/Smatree S2C carbon pole.




      I've been travelling to Hokkaido for 8 seasons now addicted to smashing through the heavenly joy that Japanese powder brings.

      Through these years I've progressed through a variety of outerwear initially starting with a tech insulated hoodie under a GORE-TEX® shell jacket to more recently Quiksilver Inyo and Impact 2L GORE-TEX® (60/40grms PrimaLoft® silver) insulated snowboard jacket.



      Over the last few seasons, I've really come to love the high quality and superb performance I've experienced from all of my Burton [ak] outerwear and also ride with both the [ak] Swash and [ak] Cyclic snowboard jackets which are much better suited for our generally plus -5°C Australian Alpine conditions.



      Quickly I've learnt, and this is me personally, that I much prefer riding with the unrestricted freedom that an insulated jacket gives you over the multiple layering up under a shell. I always ride with just a full length [ak] Power Grid® LS top/bottom (200 mid-weight) combined with just the right level insulated jacket for the conditions. Here...., I'm pretty sweet.


      However the big downside here is the more substantially required $$$ outlay for purchasing multiple jackets to suit the variety of your temperature conditions. Now generally riding in Australia you can get away with just a shell and a decent base layer to protect you from our -5°C to +5°C (generally around 0°C) chilly winters??? But in Wintry❄ Northern Japan facing temperatures well below the -10°C (-14°F) mark it's a completely different ball game. I've also been out a few times in frosty windchill temps around the -35°C (-31°F) mark.
      So it's hard to argue that in Japan..., it's pretty frigging cold.



      Firstly, the most restrictive wall in buying multiple jackets is going to be the dollars......, and with the Burton [ak] Helitack it's well up there in the top price range for insulated GORE-TEX® jackets. Unfortunately with Snowboarding/skiing they're very expensive sports. As a result I generally try to avoid paying full RRP for my snow gear and always try to grab them around those friendly EOS sales. Thankfully I was able to grab both the [ak] Helitack in "Sparrow" (2019) and "True Black" (2020) for just under $Au500 ($US337). This is still pretty expensive but with this jacket you're getting a hell of a lot of performance and incorporated premium tech'.



      Well, the most important issue you'll be looking into when grabbing the [ak] Helitack is its insulative ability. So, is it going to be too hot or alternately, not warm enough? I've noticed on a few SBF posts that there's a perceived big fear that you're going to be well and truly cooked in this level of jacket. The temperatures I tested this jacket out in were around -8°C to -20°C windchill (generally -10°C).



      Now, I'll put this out there straight away...., with the [ak] Helitack you're not going to have any real concerns about being too cold. Riding the Gondolas where you're fairly insulated from the external elements feels a little bit toasty in this jacket especially if you're on say a 15 minute ride. However, when you're out there in the kill zone, this is where the Burton [ak] Helitack truly comes out to play. I was able to transverse and ride a lot of open chairs, as you can with the [ak] Helitack, whilst it was snowing and you feel absolutely comfortable here. My wife was out there in her TNF 2L Lostrail 100/80grms jacket with a multi double layered up [ak] Power Stretch® baselayer telling me she was really cold. I'm not sure if I'm suppose to work this out???




      So you might be saying to yourself, "With all this extra insulation there must come bulk? Well this is definitely not the case here with the [ak] Helitack. This jacket sits really nicely on your body with its regular articulated fit. It's pretty light weight and very far from having any sort of bulky feel. The fit and cut with the Helitack as expected from Burton [ak] outerwear, is at the very top level and I have no concerns with a men's XL for my size.



      I also had absolutely zero problems with the water proofing ability from the [ak] Helitack. With proven 2L GORE-TEX® protection and a solid DWR external fabric I never had any wet spots which probably you wouldn't expect anyway at temperatures well below sub zero. So absolutely totally dry and breathable all day long.



      Like I mentioned earlier, with the [ak] Helitack you get a lot of high end inclusions thrown in at this price point; front and left chest/shoulder pocket/Pit Zips™ (2020) with YKK® water-resistant zips, double slider function on central front zip, a removable snow-blocking waist gaiter, superb Cohaesive™ embedded hood cinch and an internal dump pocket for on-hill supplies. Unfortunately there is no Lycra type wrist gaiter system with this jacket but I just utilize this function with my base layer down into my gloves/mitts.



      Additionally Burton has added some big positive improvements from the 2019 to 2020 models. You now get a left shoulder lift pass pocket (moved up from the lower left internal hem on 2019), Meshed Pit Zips™ which I love, dual zone outside/inside zippered left chest/insulated media pocket, a lowering of the insulation weight (which I didn't really notice that much) and a more distinctive/bolder labelling. I really love all these improvements, however one little problem I had was with the working ability of the shoulder integrated lift pass pocket. As I'm 6'4" (192cm) I had to bend my legs to get the lift pass lower enough down to activate the lift gates every time I went through. Burton..., maybe this is why most Company's have them in the sleeve area??? I had no problems negotiating lift gates with the 2019 [ak] Helitack.



      So pretty stoked with the [ak] Helitack as a really superb specifically designed insulated cold climate jacket. You can comfortably ride all day long without the need for bulky and heavy internally layering up with restrictive technical fleeces. The Burton [ak] Helitack..., a purposely designed riders jacket for those seeking adventures well below sub zero ❄.



      A Hell of a great jacket ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐
       
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      Hi guys,

      Hoping to solicit opinions on these two goggles. I like the MFI and the lens change on the Anon but they’re not 100% sellers for me, I’m more concerned about the lens quality.

      As far as I can tell, both goggles have a similar fit and FOV for my face. I would love the Anons because of the above mentioned MFI and lens changing, but I’m wondering if the Sonar lens quality (especially low light) is as good as Smiths?

      Thanks for any opinions!
      Anon M4 actually has a new lens called Perceive now, which I presume much be an upgrade over Sonar. I have a pair and I haven't ridden them yet, but I'm upgrading them from my Oakley Flight Decks primarily due to the MFI face mask and ease of lens change. Fit and fov were all very comparable. I can't comment on the lens quality because I haven't riddne them yet, but I imagine it will be top tier as well.
       
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      Anybody own this season’s Anon M4 with the Perceive lenses and can share their experiences? Perhaps any suggestions regarding fogging?

      I have the Asian Fit with Toric lenses, paired with the Anon Rodan helmet.

      I have had mixed experiences with using the included MFI and alternatively using the Burton Wicking Face Mask. With either mask, I still experience almost-immediate fogging on the upper part of the lens. And that is usually after putting on the goggles in my car first, before heading out to the lifts.

      My best experience so far is using the Burton Wicking Face Mask instead of the MFI and hoping the fog dissipates after the ride up the chair lift. And I still make sure to bring an extra lens in case the fog does not go away. I realize I can always take off the goggles in the lift line and let them vent out, but I have never had to do that with my other goggles. And of course there are exceptional days when the conditions are dumping snow (or occasional face shots in deep pow). Fogging is also worse on weekend sessions with longer lift lines vs. weekdays with less people. And of course masks are mandatory at my home mountain.

      With how much thought & money I have spent on getting the M4 and other MFI accessories, I am still hoping to get the best use out of them and have not given up. The last thing I would try is to get a different Anon helmet with more venting.

      TIA for any insight or advice!
       
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      I just lost my old oakley goggles and planning to buy a new one. I am in between Oaklay flight deck Prizm Hi pink vs Anon m4 PERCEIVE Cloudy Pink - has anyone used both technologies and which one is better for snowy and cloudy conditions for clarity and visibility of edges?

      Thanks
       
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      Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

      I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

      For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:

      However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
       
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      Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

      I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

      For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:
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      However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
      expensive yes, but it’s super expensive because you’re trying to buy everything that a person buys gradually over time all at once…
      everything snow sports is relatively very expensive

      For the price of one high end Oakley, you can get an high end anon or smith with two lens that comes in package. I used to own Oakley but moved on to smith.

      if I were you, I would get a nice new boots, goggles, first hand helmet, and make sure the goggles fit nicely with the helmet.
      Everything else you can cheap out on sales or second hand, borrow from a friend, buy next year etc.
      and whatever you do, never ever wipe the inner side of your goggles, even if it fogs up or some snow got into your goggles.
       
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      Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

      I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

      For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:
      [/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]

      However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
      WTF..., you had an [ak] Helitack jacket, [ak] Cyclic pants [ak] Dispatcher bag, [ak] Clutch mitts on your list $$$$$$$$ and you are worried about buying a decent pair of goggles. The M4 is a premium level system; dual interchangeable magnetic lenses, MFI mask, plus carry cases.

       
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      Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

      I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

      For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:

      However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
      For mounting the bindings, a normal #3 Philips screwdriver works. Only need to buy something if you want to carry a pocket screwdriver for on hill adjustments.

      For goggles, only Anon has the magnetic facemask system where goggles attach to your facemask and it is a really really nice system. It is definitely a premium top-of-the-line pair of goggles but if you aren't planning on using a magnetic facemask, can go with another brand. I have the M4 and love the magnetic facemask system. It has a ton of features: nice lens, x2 lens that swap easily via magnetics, bundled magnetic facemask. Oakley and Smith also have good goggles as well, but the premium top-of-the-line googles are similar pricing. If trying to find something more budget, you probably will lose out on more premium features like multiple lens and magnetic lens swap system.

      I personally get premium goggles because I feel like the extra features have really been worth it for me, compared to my outerwear I usually try to find the cheapest option that has the features I need, but I recently upgraded my jacket to the Burton Swash and it is quite nice.

      There are many good budget goggles with nice lens quality. For budget goggles, focus on a pair with good lens quality with variable condition lens and don't worry about extra features because more budget pricing usually won't have a lot of bells & whistles. Many people don't bother swapping lens so it is fine to ride with one lens. I rode with the Oakley Flight Deck for a while and didn't ever swap lens. Oakley usually does not bundle a 2nd lens. Swapping lens is really nice when you are riding more difficult terrain and want to really see where you are going in low light/foggy conditions - a low light lens & a regular variable condition lens is what I have.

      Like @Craig64 said, based on your outerwear selection, you are hitting really top of the line premium outwear products (Burton AK Line for example), which is usually a more price is not a big factor type selection. So the M4 would be a similar premium level option for goggles. There are a lot cheaper well-performing outerwear options out there (a sample more budget oriented entry level combo would be $200 DC command jacket + $200 north face freedom bib - both waterproof without goretex, total $400). Your Helitrack jacket + Cyclic bibs combo is top-of-line premium type selection, already $1k+ usd. What's was your overall budget?

      @Doraibu makes an extremely good point as well. I bought and upgraded my gear overtime. Buying everything all at once, especially with the premium options you selected is likely extremely pricey. I think just starting with nice boots, helmet, and goggles is a great idea.

      If pricing is an issue, can drop gore-tex branded products if not riding in wet conditions (or look at the entry level goretex gear from brands, Burton has cheaper options than what you selected and there are other good quality brands cheaper than Burton - Burton does have a really nice generous warranty though) and go synthetic baselayers instead of merino as merino is more expensive and premium. Snowboard stuff goes on end of season sales as well, so if you can wait, pricing will drop for nicer stuff as well
       
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