158W or 161W - Jones Frontier

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YanivelKneivel

Discussion Starter · Nov 1, 2020

Hey everyone, I've narrowed down my first board (beginner side of intermediate) to a good deal I found on a Jones Frontier (formerly Explorer). Now I need to decide on sizing, between 158W and 161W.

I'm 6'3 but only 165 lbs, and 12.5 boot size. The Jones website says the 158W is a width of 26.2, 161W is 26.4. Do I need that extra bit for a 12.5 boot?

Not riding park or doing tricks at all, just cruising and carving and some bombing blues.

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lifeisgold

· #2 · Nov 2, 2020

Disclaimer: I am sure there are much bigger experts here then me. I tried a frontier 158W and it did not feel wide to my small (size 8.5) feet I would go bigger. Remember that the waist is not the only factor your boot is actually further back and the width differential is slightly larger there.

PS are you sure you want this board? Its good, I am sure you will have a good time but someone light with really large feet (like yourself) is much suited to short and fat then anything else really.

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WigMar

· #3 · Nov 2, 2020

Are you sure you're a 12.5 boot? Most of us around here ride around a size smaller boot than our street shoes. I had so many more boards to choose from when I went from a size 13 down to an 11. There was also a big increase in performance, response and control. I used to ride the stiffest boots I could find, but now I ride some fairly soft comfy boots.

If you're not riding park or doing any tricks, I'd recommend something directional that's designed more for carving- like the Nidecker Area. Nidecker owns Jones, and their quality is comparable.

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Jimi7

· #4 · Nov 2, 2020

Like WigMar said make sure your boot size is dialed in before choosing a board. That said, we don't know your age, but if you're younger and probably going to pack on more weight, then I'd lean toward the bigger board.

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Paxford

· #5 · Nov 3, 2020

This hits at my core, and some serious frustration, being 6’3” and around 155-165 lbs when learning in the 90’s, and still close. I’ve booted out so many times on misfit equipment. It depends on your lean:aggression. Shrink that boot, but still. Don’t let too narrow a board hold you back, but don’t go to too big wide. And seriously, don’t trust others under 6 foot with small feet on board recommendations beyond beginner.

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r79th

· #6 · Nov 3, 2020

For basic turns both widths will work, but if you start learning to lay down deep carves then 262 is gonna be narrow enough to boot you out with 12.5 feet. 264 is even a bit on the narrow side.

At 165 lbs any short/wide should be a good option. The shorter length will keep the overall size of the board closer to your weight range but give your feet enough space.

I’m curious what 12.5 boots you have. That’s my size but I have to round up or down due to rarely ever finding good snowboard boots in 12.5.

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Hurricane

· #7 · Nov 3, 2020

r79th said:
For basic turns both widths will work, but if you start learning to lay down deep carves then 262 is gonna be narrow enough to boot you out with 12.5 feet. 264 is even a bit on the narrow side.

At 165 lbs any short/wide should be a good option. The shorter length will keep the overall size of the board closer to your weight range but give your feet enough space.

I’m curious what 12.5 boots you have. That’s my size but I have to round up or down due to rarely ever finding good snowboard boots in 12.5.

I ride a size 12 boot (3 different brands Burton, DC, and Vans) and have a K2 turbo dream 160w with a waist width of 263 and I have never had a problem with booting out, not at all. OP I would go 158W at your weight. Now I definitely agree you should take a look a short wide, I have Warpig and it's awesome!

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Paxford

· #8 · Nov 4, 2020

Twins in the low-mid 260’s are a whole different animal than tapered boards in that range, especially if you are near zero on the backfoot.

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YanivelKneivel

Discussion Starter · #9 · Nov 5, 2020

WigMar said:
Are you sure you're a 12.5 boot? Most of us around here ride around a size smaller boot than our street shoes. I had so many more boards to choose from when I went from a size 13 down to an 11. There was also a big increase in performance, response and control. I used to ride the stiffest boots I could find, but now I ride some fairly soft comfy boots.

If you're not riding park or doing any tricks, I'd recommend something directional that's designed more for carving- like the Nidecker Area. Nidecker owns Jones, and their quality is comparable.

Yeah I've heard this a lot and tried smaller, but my big toe is just way longer than my other toes and anything smaller presses against the front of the boot and starts hurting pretty fast. I really wish I could size down. What kind of socks do you use?

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YanivelKneivel

Discussion Starter · #10 · Nov 5, 2020

r79th said:
For basic turns both widths will work, but if you start learning to lay down deep carves then 262 is gonna be narrow enough to boot you out with 12.5 feet. 264 is even a bit on the narrow side.

At 165 lbs any short/wide should be a good option. The shorter length will keep the overall size of the board closer to your weight range but give your feet enough space.

I’m curious what 12.5 boots you have. That’s my size but I have to round up or down due to rarely ever finding good snowboard boots in 12.5.

I'm not at the hard carves yet, but that's the goal. I'll experiment with different stance angles and hopefully it's not an issue.

Happened to score some like-new sz 12.5 Salomon Malamutes from REI's garage sale (I think a few years old), I went over to the new boots and tried on a bunch of others to compare and even though these are on the stiff side they were super comfy and felt great.

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YanivelKneivel

Discussion Starter · #11 · Nov 5, 2020

Hurricane said:
I ride a size 12 boot (3 different brands Burton, DC, and Vans) and have a K2 turbo dream 160w with a waist width of 263 and I have never had a problem with booting out, not at all. OP I would go 158W at your weight. Now I definitely agree you should take a look a short wide, I have Warpig and it's awesome!

Right on, that's good news. Thanks!
What if I only have the cash for one board this year? Would the short fatty be a solid do-it-all board or is it better as a 2nd board to switch it up/powder day board?

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Hurricane

· #12 · Nov 5, 2020

YanivelKneivel said:
Right on, that's good news. Thanks!
What if I only have the cash for one board this year? Would the short fatty be a solid do-it-all board or is it better as a 2nd board to switch it up/powder day board?

Yes I have used my warpig for everything from groomers to park and powder. It does everything well and is great in the woods too.

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lifeisgold

· #13 · Nov 5, 2020

YanivelKneivel said:
Right on, that's good news. Thanks!
What if I only have the cash for one board this year? Would the short fatty be a solid do-it-all board or is it better as a 2nd board to switch it up/powder day board?

Like the poster above said you can get a warpig/superpig, Yes the Y or the ever popular Orca they all are well suited for a intermediate rider and are very good in powder. If I were you would I would defiantly have the Orca higher then anything else,beginners through advance riders love this board (the upper end of advance riders don't seem to love it as much) . A lot of people here who are really good riders love camber and locked in carver boards but where you are at right that's now not really something I would be looking for. Plus it will be really easy to sell if you don't like it.

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YanivelKneivel

Discussion Starter · #14 · Nov 8, 2020

lifeisgold said:
Like the poster above said you can get a warpig/superpig, Yes the Y or the ever popular Orca they all are well suited for a intermediate rider and are very good in powder. If I were you would I would defiantly have the Orca higher then anything else,beginners through advance riders love this board (the upper end of advance riders don't seem to love it as much) . A lot of people here who are really good riders love camber and locked in carver boards but where you are at right that's now not really something I would be looking for. Plus it will be really easy to sell if you don't like it.

Thanks for the details! I'll check out some of those suggestions. The Orca is a bit outta my price range right now, but being easy to sell is a good point in favor.

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