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I was reading DreamPow's post about his 2013 Cartels and it appears I have a similar issue with mine. I bought & mounted these on my 2010/11 Arbor Roundhouse 163W exactly as I did my Old 2010/11 Cartels. (I have 2010 10.5 32 ST Boa boots)

These New Cartels cannot be centered on my Arbor. When I mount them In the most toe forward position possible, I have about a 1/2 inch of overhang on my toe & as much as an inch- inch & half of heel overhang! The board is unridable like this!!!

Now I demo'd these bindings back in Dec. and I was told the ones I tried were large bindings! (...the Demo'd pair were that ugly blue/teal color, Mine are the asphalt!) I rode those Demo Cartels on a few Burton boards and I liked the bindings so much I asked if I could try them on my Arbor! I loved them on my board!!! They were Super comfortable & I didn't notice any ride or performance problems with them on my Arbor board.

So I don't know why the ones I just purchased are like this! Defective maybe????? I can't use them like this, and I don't believe that going to a Med size will solve the problem like it did for DreamPow! I've had Med bindings on this Wide Arbor before & didn't like the way they rode! (...Too small for a wide board like this!)

Any suggestions? Is this something that others are experiencing? Should I contact Burton or just return them to REI & try another pair?

Appreciate your time & help!
 

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I think this is common with unibody bindings. Probably why they created the EST system. The reason I got rid of my Cartels was because I couldn't center the boots without the discs turned sideways, which obviously limits stance options to what ever the inserts fall at. I had the same problem with my Flux.

Now it appears that the smaller re:flex disc limits the adjustment range even more so.

I'm not sure why they don't spend more time on their disc design. Even ride includes multiple offset discs to rectify this issue.
 

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to the OP, can you put up pics of the un-centered bindings (topview please).
I've never come across this. Large bindings overhanging on a wide board!
 

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Same issue i had with my medium Custom too. I turned the disc 90 degrees and forward backward adjustment was either toe overhang or heel overhang with my 10" boots.
 

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same issues with my size 10.5 32 boots. I have 2009 burtons so I have the old disc so I can just make the bindings work on my capita. I tried putting my boot in a med burton binding and everything just seemed to snug.
 

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Binding Pic's / Uncentered

to the OP, can you put up pics of the un-centered bindings (topview please).
I've never come across this. Large bindings overhanging on a wide board!
Here's the disk set up. In Most toe forward position!
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Here's all the heel overhang that position gives me:
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Almost no toe overhang:
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sorry about upside down pics,.. I edited them but iPhone apparently embeds the orientation regardless!!!
 

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Now that CAN'T be right can it? My 2010/11 Cartels are a tiny bit heel heavy when centerd using the same (relative) bolt holes. This is an unridable situation for this board! It's already a bit hard to initiate toeside turns with it being a wide board as is. But with NO toe side Leverage??? this sucks, and I don't know why the Cartel's I demo'd didn't feel this bad on this board!!

I noticed how different, bad/squirelly this setup felt the very first time I rode it, but I thought I just had to dial in my hi-backs & angles! This set up isn't ridable as it is!
 

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God it almost does look like those bindings are too big for your boot, but I would imagine you're right in that a medium wouldn't work on a wide board. Are you sure the ones you demo'd were larges?
 

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God it almost does look like those bindings are too big for your boot, but I would imagine you're right in that a medium wouldn't work on a wide board. Are you sure the ones you demo'd were larges?
I was told they were, we had to adjust the straps several times to keep them from bottoming out when tightening, so yeah! Pretty sure! And I didn't notice ANY ride performance issues! Board didn't feel squirrelly or radically different when riding.

I Just noticed that the bindings were way more comfortable than my old Cartels and actually, my boots didn't lift/rise up & ride the outside edge of the bindings base whenever I tried to Butter! (...my old Cartels let my boot lift in the bindings and bottom of boot was on outside edge of base no matter how tight I strapped in!) With the New Cartel's, My boots fit better in the bindings, but the bindings apparently don't fit my board??? Cannot center them to even out overhang!

Does any of that make sense?? :dunno:

Later edit:
Now,.. I have NO idea what disk plates were used for the bindings I demo'd on my Arbor! The Cartels I rode on the Burton boards I demo'd were the EST (...or channel?) Not sure what was used for mounting them on my Arbor!
Oh yes, Btw my Old 2010/11 Cartel's are Large!!! They work just fine with this board & boots! (..just not as comfortable!)
 

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What's weird is that in looking at those pics I'm not sure different discs would even help your situation much. That is to say those heelside edge screws don't look like they could come back any further with any kind of disc because you'd be getting too close to the seam where the disc meets the base plate. It's odd. Hopefully Burton Bindings will see this thread and chime in.
 

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Chomps, Why are you on a wide board? 32 have a relatively small outsole so you should probably be on a regular board with medium bindings. I just think the boots are too short for your set up.
 

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Chomps, Why are you on a wide board? 32 have a relatively small outsole so you should probably be on a regular board with medium bindings. I just think the boots are too short for your set up.
Cuz after my second day on a rental snowboard, I ran out & bought my own gear,.. AND I took the advice of the REI salespeople! :RantExplode: (...to be fair to them, I started out with {and ultimately returned 2-3 pair,..} of size 11's or even 11.5 boots cuz my feet are "freakin' Wide"!) 10.5 EEE streets & work boots!

I have since learned I don't NEED, never did need a Wide board! But,.. it's mine now. It's a GREAT board & I actually learned to ride pretty damn well on it! ;)

Just can't figure out why the bindings I demo'd didn't give me the trouble (...ride performance problems) that the ones I purchased have!!! :dunno: :icon_scratch:
 

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Any chance they had you on a standard disc/binding and not the re:flex disc/binding?
I only know that the Demo Cartels were 2012/13's. Do they make these in a Non Reflex binding? Is there a version of these 12/13 Cartels without the reflex bindings?

Honestly,.. I don't remember the disk's on the Demo's having these same large teeth on the disk & binding plate for locking in the angles! But my recollection is unreliable on that as I wasn't really paying attention to those kinds of things!
 

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I only know that the Demo Cartels were 2012/13's. Do they make these in a Non Reflex binding? Is there a version of these 12/13 Cartels without the reflex bindings?

Honestly,.. I don't remember the disk's on the Demo's having these same large teeth on the disk & binding plate for locking in the angles! But my recollection is unreliable on that as I wasn't really paying attention to those kinds of things!
Nope. 2012/2013 cartels only come in est and reflex versions.
 

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Now that CAN'T be right can it? My 2010/11 Cartels are a tiny bit heel heavy when centerd using the same (relative) bolt holes. This is an unridable situation for this board! It's already a bit hard to initiate toeside turns with it being a wide board as is. But with NO toe side Leverage??? this sucks, and I don't know why the Cartel's I demo'd didn't feel this bad on this board!!

I noticed how different, bad/squirelly this setup felt the very first time I rode it, but I thought I just had to dial in my hi-backs & angles! This set up isn't ridable as it is!
Your toe ramps are a touch too far out. You want them to follow the curve of the boot, so your toes will actually stick out further than the ramp.

You know, I really think you're overthinking it. The board is not unrideable! Difficulty in initiating toeside turns is from bad technique. Don't blame the equipment. I've had my bindings like that before on some boards and never noticed it.
 

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Your toe ramps are a touch too far out. You want them to follow the curve of the boot, so your toes will actually stick out further than the ramp.

You know, I really think you're overthinking it. The board is not unrideable! Difficulty in initiating toeside turns is from bad technique. Don't blame the equipment. I've had my bindings like that before on some boards and never noticed it.
Not trying to dis you, but you aren't being serious, are you? With ALL heel overhang, it rides for shit!! Technique or no! I was overstating "Unridable" for effect, but no way Im leaving it set up like this to ride. Might as well b on a POS rental if Im gonna do that, not an awesome $500 stick!
 
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