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Hi all,

I would like to purchase a full snowboarding outfit and equipment to mark my 35th anniversary ;)

Level: beginner - intermediate for occasional practice, weekends and holidays
Looking for: versatility, durability, quality, comfortable, warm, long term investment, uniform style

After doing some research, here is my selection:

Snowboard - Nitro Cinema
Bindings - Fix Snowboard Rossignol Battle Black White - M-L
Boots - Burton Moto Boa Black
Jacket – Burton - Men's Burton [ak] Helitack GORE‑TEX 2L Hedge Green
Pants - Burton - [ak] Cyclic GORE-TEX 2 L Hedge Green
Socks - Burton - Ultralight compression
Helmet - POC Fornix
Goggles - Atomic Revent OTG HD Goggles Black
Bagpack – Burton [ak] Dispatcher 25 L
Gloves - Burton [ak] Clutch GORE-TEX Gloves
Pullover / Hoodie - Burton - Mountain Sweatshirt
Fleece Jacket - The North Face
T-shirt - Helly Hansen - Pro Lifa
Hood - POC – Balaclava
Hat - Burton
Other Mountain boots - Moon Boot - Bottes Icon Black Nylon
Snowboard protection – Burton Commuter Space Sack

What do you think about the choices, quality and consistency of the equipment?

If you have any advice, especially on the following aspects, I'd love to have your feedback:
  • Board
  • Bindings
  • Boots
  • Jacket/ Pants

Many thanks for your help :)
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My guess is. You come from a medium-high to high income background based on what you listed. But you don't want to throw money away if you don't have to.

For a mid-high to high-income earner that is likely frugal:
1. Boots, custom footbeds. Get the best boot you can buy that fits. Seriously. No foot pain.
2. Intermdiate+ level bindings and board that is not a total piece of crap. If you don't have park aspirations, freeride always. You can still hit the park here and there with a free-ride board. Beginner level boards are a $ sink imo. Intermediate+ level boards are plenty friendly enough.
3. Helmet/Goggles/Gloves/Clothing. These are consumables. As a beginner you will fall a lot and wear through things quickly. Up to you. For a mid-high to high income earnier? Go for mid level to whatever you want. Do not buy dirt cheap; you don't have to.
4. Skip the backpack until you are not a beginner. You might not even need it.

Lastly, 100% chance you will buy new gear whether you get better at snowboarding or not (if you stick with it). Most important is helmet and boots.
Really.

Besides the boots, if you just randomly threw your money at random places and bought something not totally a mis-fit to you; you've done alright.
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Hi everyone, many thanks for your help and active participation here, this is very helpful. I am gonna recap your inputs:
  • Boots: look into a better quality by trying more models in a store to see whats fit best, invest more budget in it due to their importance
  • Board: look into a different model from Nitro that is more suitable for my level and usage
  • Helmet/Goggles: if not the same brand, check out if suitable together
  • T-shirt, neck - go for merino instead of technical stuff - It makes riding much more comfy and no odor
Purchasing order + some advises:
1- Boots - be careful with the size
2- Board - look at the usage, for me it's more about riding without park, so most likely to go for an hybrid camber
3- Binding - check compatibility with the board, angrysnowboarder.com can help
4- Jackets/Pants
5- Goggles & Helmet - for goggles, if budget allow, to go for magnetic lens system for different weather conditions (top references: Smith, Dragon, Oakley, Anon... -> Smith Squads: interchangeable lenses)

Boots and goggles are extremely important - splurge more on them compared to other gear.
  • Consider bibs instead of pants, especially for powder days - or because falling more as per level, prevents snow from getting into base layers
  • Look into some base layers for the legs as missing for now
  • Get the best outwear possible to stay dry
  • Reduce the size of the bagpack or leverage pockets instead
  • Add protective gears: crash pants, knee pads
  • Gloves vs Mittens are personal preference. Mittens are warmer but less dexterity.
And many references suggested. I Hope I did not forget any important point ;)

Question:
No need for a board bag unless traveling - what would you recommend to store it?
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Hi everyone, many thanks for your help and active participation here, this is very helpful. I am gonna recap your inputs:
  • Boots: look into a better quality by trying more models in a store to see whats fit best, invest more budget in it due to their importance
  • Board: look into a different model from Nitro that is more suitable for my level and usage
  • Helmet/Goggles: if not the same brand, check out if suitable together
  • T-shirt, neck - go for merino instead of technical stuff - It makes riding much more comfy and no odor
Purchasing order + some advises:
1- Boots - be careful with the size
2- Board - look at the usage, for me it's more about riding without park, so most likely to go for an hybrid camber
3- Binding - check compatibility with the board, angrysnowboarder.com can help
4- Jackets/Pants
5- Goggles & Helmet - for goggles, if budget allow, to go for magnetic lens system for different weather conditions (top references: Smith, Dragon, Oakley, Anon... -> Smith Squads: interchangeable lenses)

Boots and goggles are extremely important - splurge more on them compared to other gear.
  • Consider bibs instead of pants, especially for powder days - or because falling more as per level, prevents snow from getting into base layers
  • Look into some base layers for the legs as missing for now
  • Get the best outwear possible to stay dry
  • Reduce the size of the bagpack or leverage pockets instead
  • Add protective gears: crash pants, knee pads
  • Gloves vs Mittens are personal preference. Mittens are warmer but less dexterity.
And many references suggested. I Hope I did not forget any important point ;)

Question:
No need for a board bag unless traveling - what would you recommend to store it?
I might also add if you can afford it, buy higher end GORE-TEX gear in the popular known brands as these will always have a strong easy resale ability if you ever want to unload or update.
Storage wax for the off season.
Which is wax it but don’t scrape until next winter. If you don’t have your own kit, just tell the store you want storage wax.
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For the snowboarding bag, if you are planning airline trips to snowboard, you should get a wheelie bag (smallest size that fits your snowboard length - if too big, the bag will bend and it would be awkward to carry). Dakine low-roller or Burton Wheelie bag are popular options. If just driving to snowboard, a regular snowboard bag or skipping the bag completely if fine.

For general storage between trips, a snowboard bag can be nice, but just any dry place is fine (avoid places that will get really hot or really humid). Don't stack anything ontop of it. Some people have wall mounts and display their snowboard. I've read different things about whether to have it standing upright vs horizontal to prevent the board from losing its shape, but I doubt it makes that much of a difference.

For board storage at the end of the season, this video has really good tips:
. Also this article has a good summary: How to Store a Snowboard over Summer | Snowboarding Profiles. Instead of waxing yourself, you can take it to a shop ask for a end-of-season wax (where they put more on more wax for storage). Ideally, you would also scrape the wax off day before riding with an acrylic plastic wax scraper (don't use metal). The wax will come off with riding, but first few runs your snowboard will not glide as well and may feel sticky. A shop will scrape off wax for you as well if needed, but it is easy to DIY.

For general snowboard maintenance, make sure you dry your snowboard after you ride (especially the edges as they can rust). May need to re-wax the base every so often (can take to a shop to do this). General recommendation is 3-5 days, but I've gone without waxing after 1-2 weeks of riding and I know some riders who rarely wax their board. Basically, your board will not glide as well or as fast if it hasn't been waxed recently. You should clean the base of your board with a Scotch-Brite sponge or brass snowboard bush prior to waxing to get the dirt and gunk out. Clean your base prior to storage at the end of the season too. Some people use chemical base cleaners, but other people don't recommend it, so up to you if you want to try it. If you feel like your edges aren't holding well in icy conditions, you can take it to a shop and ask them to sharpen your edges.
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For the snowboarding bag, if you are planning airline trips to snowboard, you should get a wheelie bag (smallest size that fits your snowboard length - if too big, the bag will bend and it would be awkward to carry). Dakine low-roller or Burton Wheelie bag are popular options. If just driving to snowboard, a regular snowboard bag or skipping the bag completely if fine.

For general storage between trips, a snowboard bag can be nice, but just any dry place is fine (avoid places that will get really hot or really humid). Don't stack anything ontop of it. Some people have wall mounts and display their snowboard. I've read different things about whether to have it standing upright vs horizontal to prevent the board from losing its shape, but I doubt it makes that much of a difference.

For board storage at the end of the season, this video has really good tips:
. Also this article has a good summary: How to Store a Snowboard over Summer | Snowboarding Profiles. Instead of waxing yourself, you can take it to a shop ask for a end-of-season wax (where they put more on more wax for storage). Ideally, you would also scrape the wax off day before riding with an acrylic plastic wax scraper (don't use metal). The wax will come off with riding, but first few runs your snowboard will not glide as well and may feel sticky. A shop will scrape off wax for you as well if needed, but it is easy to DIY.

For general snowboard maintenance, make sure you dry your snowboard after you ride (especially the edges as they can rust). May need to re-wax the base every so often (can take to a shop to do this). General recommendation is 3-5 days, but I've gone without waxing after 1-2 weeks of riding and I know some riders who rarely wax their board. Basically, your board will not glide as well or as fast if it hasn't been waxed recently. You should clean the base of your board with a Scotch-Brite sponge or brass snowboard bush prior to waxing to get the dirt and gunk out. Clean your base prior to storage at the end of the season too. Some people use chemical base cleaners, but other people don't recommend it, so up to you if you want to try it. If you feel like your edges aren't holding well in icy conditions, you can take it to a shop and ask them to sharpen your edges.
Another very important point with wheelie bags is that Airlines now with OHS have bag weight limits (Around close to +/-23kg) so a Wheelie Gig or Dakine Low Roller is all you really need as the thicker bags ie Wheelie Locker/Flight Attendant are extremely too easy to overload this weight. I can pack 3x 160+ boards/boots/2x bindings in a Wheelie Gig and be close to 23kg.
Hi everyone, many thanks for your help and active participation here, this is very helpful. I am gonna recap your inputs:
  • Boots: look into a better quality by trying more models in a store to see whats fit best, invest more budget in it due to their importance
  • Board: look into a different model from Nitro that is more suitable for my level and usage
  • Helmet/Goggles: if not the same brand, check out if suitable together
  • T-shirt, neck - go for merino instead of technical stuff - It makes riding much more comfy and no odor
Purchasing order + some advises:
1- Boots - be careful with the size
2- Board - look at the usage, for me it's more about riding without park, so most likely to go for an hybrid camber
3- Binding - check compatibility with the board, angrysnowboarder.com can help
4- Jackets/Pants
5- Goggles & Helmet - for goggles, if budget allow, to go for magnetic lens system for different weather conditions (top references: Smith, Dragon, Oakley, Anon... -> Smith Squads: interchangeable lenses)

Boots and goggles are extremely important - splurge more on them compared to other gear.
  • Consider bibs instead of pants, especially for powder days - or because falling more as per level, prevents snow from getting into base layers
  • Look into some base layers for the legs as missing for now
  • Get the best outwear possible to stay dry
  • Reduce the size of the bagpack or leverage pockets instead
  • Add protective gears: crash pants, knee pads
  • Gloves vs Mittens are personal preference. Mittens are warmer but less dexterity.
And many references suggested. I Hope I did not forget any important point ;)

Question:
No need for a board bag unless traveling - what would you recommend to store it?
outside of wax i like to take my bindings off in the summer, by no means do you have to do it but I am of the belief that removing the bolt pressure from the insert packs provides some longevity benefits to your base
Thanks a lot once again guys for your help - I will continue the research and start to go in store... ;)

I also found this very cool solution to fix the snowboard on wall: https://www.amazon.com/StoreYourBoard-Minimalist-Snowboard-Display-Storage/dp/B09X25KSS2
Hello guys,

Just to follow-up, I have reviewed the initial selection, especially to go for better Boots as essential, included bibs instead of pants and a smaller bagpack:

Boots: Men's Photon Step On® Snowboard Boots | Burton.com Winter 2023

Bibs: Men's [ak] Cyclic GORE-TEX 2L Bib Pants (Short) | Burton.com Winter 2023

Smaller bagpack 18L instead of 25L: [ak] Dispatcher 18L Backpack | Burton.com Winter 2023

What do you think of this revisited selection? Many thanks ;)
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Hello guys,

Just to follow-up, I have reviewed the initial selection, especially to go for better Boots as essential, included bibs instead of pants and a smaller bagpack:

Boots: Men's Photon Step On® Snowboard Boots | Burton.com Winter 2023

Bibs: Men's [ak] Cyclic GORE-TEX 2L Bib Pants (Short) | Burton.com Winter 2023

Smaller bagpack 18L instead of 25L: [ak] Dispatcher 18L Backpack | Burton.com Winter 2023

What do you think of this revisited selection? Many thanks ;)
Step-On boots are only compatible with Burton Step-On Bindings. I would demo the step-on system prior to committing as small minority of users get pinky toe hotspot pain which makes it not comfortable to ride. For boots, really need to try them out yourself, so hard to say if your selection is good or not without you testing it yourself and seeing how they fit. After you try on some pairs, if there is a particular issue with a brand / specific boot when trying on, people who had similar issues can give feedback on good alternatives.

Cyclic bibs are really nice overall. A good high-end pick.

If you are a solo rider or riding with other adults (no children) and you are sticking to the resort (no off-piste or backcountry) and not doing any filming (needing to carry camera gear / spare batteries), I don't think you really need backpack. Small snacks and even a small waterbottle fit in pockets. Most resorts have lodges everywhere, so can get water/snacks throughout the day as well. Really only extra layers would be the only other thing I can think of that need to be carried but once you go a few times, you will know what layers to bring for what conditions and temperatures. I bring normal backbag with me to the mountain with extra layers, spare lens, spare gloves, different condition face masks, drinks/snacks, etc but I leave all of it in the car - rarely had to go back to swap out gear. I usually only carry my chairlift pass, wallet, cellphone, pocket tissues, burton est tool, soft goggle case that can be used as goggle wipe, and snack bars on me when I ride. I personally wouldn't recommend riding with a backpack - especially for a beginner, as it impacts your balance and technique with the additional weight on your back. Most chairlifts require you to take it off as well during the chairlift ride so just additional hassle overall. Is there something particular that you need to bring where you think the pockets of your snowboard jacket and pants/bibs aren't enough?
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I would stay away from proprietary burton step-on set as your first boot/binding. you’re locking yourself out from the majority of the market especially if you get too used to it to try something else...

you don’t need a backpack but Dakine Heli will be cheaper than burton AK bag, wait it out until sales. You don’t need expensive bag pack until you go full back country set…

burton bibs are shells only. Very good, I have AK bib too. you might want to factor where you board and how you layer yourself. The burton reserve bib is cheaper than AK, major difference is the pocket type. There are other cheaper bib brands but factor in how you can unzip yourself to take a piss.
Still for the boots, would you recommend any other references to look into that would be more universal to bindings rather than a Burton reference only?

You definitely convinced me to not especially go for a bagpack and leverage my pants/bib pockets instead ;)

Great for the Burton AK bibs I have selected ;) I will then keep it in the list.
Still for the boots, would you recommend any other references to look into that would be more universal to bindings rather than a Burton reference only?

You definitely convinced me to not especially go for a bagpack and leverage my pants/bib pockets instead ;)

Great for the Burton AK bibs I have selected ;) I will then keep it in the list.
if you want the ease of a step in binding but don’t want to be locked into a particular boot brand check out the nidecker supermatic binding

Swissmade from the Alps, looks interesting ;) I will look into it.
For the base layers: Merino wool (t shirt, legs...) any brand/reference to recommend?
For boots, you really have to try in person first to see how different boots fit. Online shopping isn't very helpful as no way to check if they actual fit your foot so will be hit or miss if you don't try in store first. Brand names are only helpful in the sense that different brands tend to cater to different foot shapes overall, so if certain brand/boot models are uncomfortable in certain areas, it can help direct your search. You need to measure your foot's Mondo size (length and width in cm) - do it with heel against the wall for best measurements, and look at a sizing chart to see what snowboard boot size you are.

When trying on in store, boots should feel tight and snug with toes pressing against the tip without curling or pain/hotspots. When you get into your snowboard stance, your toes will pull back. Your heel should be very locked in without any heel lift. Your foot should not be able to slide around in the boot at all. There should be no painful hotspots. Check the fit in your snowboarding stance (pretend to do toeside/heelside turns) and walk around with them for a bit. I would recommend keeping the pair you decide to buy on for at least 20 minutes minimum before buying and heat molding at the store. Note usually heatmolding makes the sale final and nonrefundable. When tou find a well-fitting pair of boots, you should definitely heat mold them as it will improve fit and comfort and performance.

If you are buying online only without trying on the store, be prepared that the boots may not fit & you may have to buy many different models before you find the right one. Buy from a store with very good refund policy and don't snowboard in boots that are painful at home. After you ride then, you won't be able to return.

For merino wool baselayers, smartwool and ice breaker are two brands that are popular and well-priced. Baselayers come in different weights depending what conditions you are dealing with. I have a mid weight SmartWool Thermal Crew that has been very versatile (link here: SmartWool Thermal Crew Baselayer). Usually for higher than -5C temps & and without wind, a mid weight baselayer and my lightly insulated shell is sufficient for me. If very windy or less than -5C, I add a midweight fleece.

For me personally riding in -10c & above, I personally don't use use a baselayer for the legs (my legs never really get cold since very active while snowboarding). If buying legging, look for 3/4 fit so they don't double up with your snowboarding socks.
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Excellent, thanks a lot for your inputs here money4me247, very helpful. I was for sure planning to go in store for the boots, helmet and other elements but this is still helpful for me at this point to find out a few references upfront, as I am based in a place where I have limited access to some stores/products. So I can already search online, then select the stores to visit with a maximum of choices.

I will also have a look on the merino wool baselayers options you provided ;)

Other point I wanted to clarify when it comes to the choice of the Helmet/Goggles. Does it have to be 100% the same brand or not especially, highly preferred or better?
Excellent, thanks a lot for your inputs here money4me247, very helpful. I was for sure planning to go in store for the boots, helmet and other elements but this is still helpful for me at this point to find out a few references upfront, as I am based in a place where I have limited access to some stores/products. So I can already search online, then select the stores to visit with a maximum of choices.

I will also have a look on the merino wool baselayers options you provided ;)

Other point I wanted to clarify when it comes to the choice of the Helmet/Goggles. Does it have to be 100% the same brand or not especially, highly preferred or better?
What matters with helmets + googles is if the top brim of the helmet fits with the top of the google. There shouldn't be a gap. Getting from the same brand will guarantee a good fit there, but most googles and helmets work together fine. I have a Smith helment and Anon googles that don't have any issues. Also used Oakley googles that worked fine with the helmet. Good point to test that fit prior to hitting the slopes.
Top notch :) thanks again for this money4me247.

For the wax to maintain the board, do you have any kit recommendation?

And also: as a beginner, should I mount the bindings on my own or leave a professional doing so?
For the base layers: Merino wool (t shirt, legs...) any brand/reference to recommend?
For merino… read the material info. Any merino less than 50% is a waste of money. they’re just charging you merino price without the goods.
There are pros and cons.
the more synthetic fabric in the blend, the more durable the fabric. Then you have merino detergent etc to think about.

Plenty of merino worshippers out there.
what you will need depends on how cold is the mountain and the weather.
My 30$ now bankrupt brand synthetic is enough for Australian weather or sunny day in Myoko. That single layer is all I need to go out running in winter Tokyo, and is my go to since I can wash it hundreds of time with regular detergent etc
still good after 10 years!
I have both merino and synthetic base layers. my other cw-x synthetic base layer is in fact, warmer than the merino and still looks good after 5 years but unfortunately just as expensive as my oyuki merino.

waxing - plenty of info on how to wax in this forum. Even very good stickies

binding - it’s not difficult and is something you need to learn how to do it yourself. Maybe buy portable screwdriver to keep on your pocket so you can change things anytime. Burton has a nice pocket sized screwdriver for binding.
Many of the shop attendants are as “professional” as any random guy you pick on the slope. I can almost guarantee, the first boot you buy based on their “professional” advice will be the wrong size.
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