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Advise - Full snowboarding outfit and equipment

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Hi all,

I would like to purchase a full snowboarding outfit and equipment to mark my 35th anniversary ;)

Level: beginner - intermediate for occasional practice, weekends and holidays
Looking for: versatility, durability, quality, comfortable, warm, long term investment, uniform style

After doing some research, here is my selection:

Snowboard - Nitro Cinema
Bindings - Fix Snowboard Rossignol Battle Black White - M-L
Boots - Burton Moto Boa Black
Jacket – Burton - Men's Burton [ak] Helitack GORE‑TEX 2L Hedge Green
Pants - Burton - [ak] Cyclic GORE-TEX 2 L Hedge Green
Socks - Burton - Ultralight compression
Helmet - POC Fornix
Goggles - Atomic Revent OTG HD Goggles Black
Bagpack – Burton [ak] Dispatcher 25 L
Gloves - Burton [ak] Clutch GORE-TEX Gloves
Pullover / Hoodie - Burton - Mountain Sweatshirt
Fleece Jacket - The North Face
T-shirt - Helly Hansen - Pro Lifa
Hood - POC – Balaclava
Hat - Burton
Other Mountain boots - Moon Boot - Bottes Icon Black Nylon
Snowboard protection – Burton Commuter Space Sack

What do you think about the choices, quality and consistency of the equipment?

If you have any advice, especially on the following aspects, I'd love to have your feedback:
  • Board
  • Bindings
  • Boots
  • Jacket/ Pants

Many thanks for your help :)
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Top notch :) thanks again for this money4me247.

For the wax to maintain the board, do you have any kit recommendation?

And also: as a beginner, should I mount the bindings on my own or leave a professional doing so?
If wanting to save money, there are tons of great synthetic polyester baselayers that are cheaper than merino wool and also wick away sweat will to prevent that cold/clammy feeling while snowboarding. The downside of synthetics is that they retain more odor if you are on longer trips without a washing machine (usually after 2-3 days), but they are more durable and easier to wash like @Doraibu said. Perfectly good alternative to merino wool depending on what you need. I have a 6 year old Hot Chili synthetic baselayer that still works great. Definitely very durable.

For waxing, you really just need a iron, plastic scrapper, and wax. Kits usually have more than you need, but if you want to get more into other snowboard maintenance, it can be helpful. Demon and RaceWax both have a wide variety of good kits at different price points depending on what you are looking for. For a snowboard iron, nicer ones have digital display or digital temperature control or a larger base to retain more heat - but really any iron will work (some people even use clothing iron - but can't iron clothes with it after it gets wax on it). For plastic scrapper, a larger one is better since you can scrape off more wax with each pass. For wax, I just buy a large block of all temperature wax because I go snowboarding very often (there are tons of wax companies: Demon and Purl have well-priced 1lb blocks). For more performance wax, Hertel is a very popular and frequently recommended brand. There are also temperature-specific waxes that perform better at their listed temperatures. There are tons of wax brands and options but I would avoid rub-on (without iron) wax as it does not last very long. There are fancier things like brushing your board (brass brush before to clean the base and some people use 3 brush pass afterwards with brass brush, nylon brush, and horsehair brush) but usually only important if racing. Note there are many people that don't bother waxing or just take to the shop to wax.

For bindings, I would definitely recommend that you learn how to put on your own bindings (and how to change stance angles and change stance width). It is extremely easy once you learn, just need a screwdriver, and your bindings will come with a manual.

Bindings will have a separate piece that is a circular base plate that you rotate for your stance angles and screw into the inserts on the snowboard at your desired stance width. Stance width is usually slightly more than shoulder width apart - usually the properly sized snowboard's reference stance markers are very close. Make sure you tighten the screws very well so your bindings don't loosen while ridding. If tightened by hand as hard as you can usually stays in place very well, but should check before every trip that your bindings aren't loosening. If it happens on the mountain, all resorts have areas with screwdrivers for tune-ups and many snowboarders carry pocket screwdrivers and the on-mountain shops/rental stores can help as well.

I also carry the Burton EST tool so I can tighten my bindings or adjust angles/stance if needed. Being able to set the tool in a right angle really helps being able to crank down your screws.

Also, you want the midline of your foot/boot at the mid-line of the snowboard (ideally minimum overhang at the toe/heels, if any overhang should be symmetrical amounts). If your snowboard boots are size 11 or larger, often will need a wide snowboard depending on your stance angles to prevent overhang.

You can post of picture after your bindings are attached on your board on the forums if you have any concerns and people will help you out.
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Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:

However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:
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However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
expensive yes, but it’s super expensive because you’re trying to buy everything that a person buys gradually over time all at once…
everything snow sports is relatively very expensive

For the price of one high end Oakley, you can get an high end anon or smith with two lens that comes in package. I used to own Oakley but moved on to smith.

if I were you, I would get a nice new boots, goggles, first hand helmet, and make sure the goggles fit nicely with the helmet.
Everything else you can cheap out on sales or second hand, borrow from a friend, buy next year etc.
and whatever you do, never ever wipe the inner side of your goggles, even if it fogs up or some snow got into your goggles.
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Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:
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However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
WTF..., you had an [ak] Helitack jacket, [ak] Cyclic pants [ak] Dispatcher bag, [ak] Clutch mitts on your list $$$$$$$$ and you are worried about buying a decent pair of goggles. The M4 is a premium level system; dual interchangeable magnetic lenses, MFI mask, plus carry cases.

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Thanks a lot guys once again for your precious advises, I have learned a lot from you :)

I will now search for more items regarding: base layers in merino, wax kit/tools for mounting the bindings and add them to the list.

For the Goggles, I have seen this kind of option at Anon: magnetic lenses/interchangeable depending on weather condition:

However, it is super expensive, I am seeking for a some Goggles/pack of lenses with a way cheaper alternative. Apparently, Oakley doesn't not offer any goggles with magnetic lens system.
For mounting the bindings, a normal #3 Philips screwdriver works. Only need to buy something if you want to carry a pocket screwdriver for on hill adjustments.

For goggles, only Anon has the magnetic facemask system where goggles attach to your facemask and it is a really really nice system. It is definitely a premium top-of-the-line pair of goggles but if you aren't planning on using a magnetic facemask, can go with another brand. I have the M4 and love the magnetic facemask system. It has a ton of features: nice lens, x2 lens that swap easily via magnetics, bundled magnetic facemask. Oakley and Smith also have good goggles as well, but the premium top-of-the-line googles are similar pricing. If trying to find something more budget, you probably will lose out on more premium features like multiple lens and magnetic lens swap system.

I personally get premium goggles because I feel like the extra features have really been worth it for me, compared to my outerwear I usually try to find the cheapest option that has the features I need, but I recently upgraded my jacket to the Burton Swash and it is quite nice.

There are many good budget goggles with nice lens quality. For budget goggles, focus on a pair with good lens quality with variable condition lens and don't worry about extra features because more budget pricing usually won't have a lot of bells & whistles. Many people don't bother swapping lens so it is fine to ride with one lens. I rode with the Oakley Flight Deck for a while and didn't ever swap lens. Oakley usually does not bundle a 2nd lens. Swapping lens is really nice when you are riding more difficult terrain and want to really see where you are going in low light/foggy conditions - a low light lens & a regular variable condition lens is what I have.

Like @Craig64 said, based on your outerwear selection, you are hitting really top of the line premium outwear products (Burton AK Line for example), which is usually a more price is not a big factor type selection. So the M4 would be a similar premium level option for goggles. There are a lot cheaper well-performing outerwear options out there (a sample more budget oriented entry level combo would be $200 DC command jacket + $200 north face freedom bib - both waterproof without goretex, total $400). Your Helitrack jacket + Cyclic bibs combo is top-of-line premium type selection, already $1k+ usd. What's was your overall budget?

@Doraibu makes an extremely good point as well. I bought and upgraded my gear overtime. Buying everything all at once, especially with the premium options you selected is likely extremely pricey. I think just starting with nice boots, helmet, and goggles is a great idea.

If pricing is an issue, can drop gore-tex branded products if not riding in wet conditions (or look at the entry level goretex gear from brands, Burton has cheaper options than what you selected and there are other good quality brands cheaper than Burton - Burton does have a really nice generous warranty though) and go synthetic baselayers instead of merino as merino is more expensive and premium. Snowboard stuff goes on end of season sales as well, so if you can wait, pricing will drop for nicer stuff as well
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Has anyone said that those goggles are $1400 because its a pack with 9 lenses 2 masks and a bunch of other crap?

A basic M4 toric frame/bright/low light/mask combo is $320 MSRP.
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Has anyone said that those goggles are $1400 because its a pack with 9 lenses 2 masks and a bunch of other crap?

A basic M4 toric frame/bright/low light/mask combo is $320 MSRP.
Good catch!! Ya, you only need a regular lens and low light lens, that pro kit is way overkill. Some people add a sunny lens if they have a lot of bright bluebird days but regular lens usually covers that as well.

Link to M4 toric lens $320: Anon M4 Goggles (Toric) + Bonus Lens + Face Mask | Anon Optics Winter 2023

Link to cylindrical lens version: Anon M4 Goggles (Cylindrical) + Lens + Face Mask | Anon Optics Winter 2023

There is also a small fit version and low nose bridge version. Probably try on in store to see what fits best.
Additional question:

Boots: Nidecker - Rift (to be tried in store) Rift
Bindings: Rossignol Battle Men's Rossignol Battle B&W snowboard binding (M/L)
Board: Nitro Cinema (after recommendation from Nitro based on my level and needs) Cinema | Nitro Snowboards
Size advised: 155 - I am 175cm

Nitro recommended to go for some Rambler to have the full kit with the board - they said thought that this is compatible with the Rossignol Rambler | Nitro Snowboards

It is a seller "upsell" or it would better to go for the same board/bindings brand?
Also adding to the list the following items:

Board/bindings fix:

Wax

Wall mount:
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For the merino/base layers and socks, here what I have selected:




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Additional question:

Boots: Nidecker - Rift (to be tried in store) Rift
Bindings: Rossignol Battle Men's Rossignol Battle B&W snowboard binding (M/L)
Board: Nitro Cinema (after recommendation from Nitro based on my level and needs) Cinema | Nitro Snowboards
Size advised: 155 - I am 175cm

Nitro recommended to go for some Rambler to have the full kit with the board - they said thought that this is compatible with the Rossignol Rambler | Nitro Snowboards

It is a seller "upsell" or it would better to go for the same board/bindings brand?
You don't need to stay with the same brand for boots, bindings, and snowboard.* Find the right boot and boot size first as binding sizes are based on boot sizes.

*(note: there is a rare exception with Burton's proprietary EST bindings, which is different from their normal Re:flex bindings. EST bindings will only work with Burton channel boards and the few other brands licensing their channel system. You didn't pick anything like that, so you don't need to worry about it.).

Also adding to the list the following items:

Board/bindings fix:

Wax

Wall mount:
For the snowboard tool, either the EST tool or the bullet tool will work - don't need to buy both. Please note that majority of resorts will have tool stations with screwdrivers available if needing to make adjustments while on the mountain. The snowboarding tool is most helpful if something needs to be fixed randomly mid-trail. Can be a good investment if you ride a lot or plan to make a lot of adjustments to stance angle/width while riding, but consider waiting to buy if just starting out and only sticking to bunny trails / green trails since you likely will never be too far away from help.

For the merino/base layers and socks, here what I have selected:




FYI: the Classic All Season 1/4 zip is 150 weight so lightweight baselayer. Classic Crew is 250 weight so mid-weight baselayer (slightly warmer). May consider just buying one to start to see how it works for you. For me, classic crew baselayer + lightly insulated shell is good to down to -5C without significant windchill. I add a fleece if -10C or colder. People have different preferences for layering, but you do not want to be too hot / sweating excessively while riding. Usually when layered right, you feel slightly chilly at rest / on chairlifts but not too uncomfortable and not sweaty/hot while riding. Consider the temperature of where you ride to pick out what suits your needs.

If really wanting to buy baselayer leggings, consider 3/4 shorts so your socks don't overlap with your bottoms (example: Men's Midweight X Base Layer 3/4 Boot Pants | Burton.com Winter 2023). Note I do not ever wear baselayer leggings and I snowboard down to -10C comfortably with just a shell bib for my legs, so I don't think thermal leggings are really needed unless you are hitting a lot colder temperatures.

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Finally, the other members here are making a good point. There is no need to rush and buy a ton of gear to start. Consider just buying the bare essentials to start and then adding on what you need based on your experiences.

For my first snowboarding outwear purchase as a beginner, I spent a total of $250 for googles, gloves, jacket, and pants (all basic entry level gear, all worn out and retired now). I just rented helmet, boots, bindings, and snowboard initially. After multiple annual trips when I really fell in love with snowboarding and committed to going on multiple trips per season, I purchased all my actual snowboard gear all on sale: board for $325, bindings for $200, boots for $300, and helmet for $240 (things are more expensive nowadays and in retrospect, probably would have done more research on the boots & tried on many more boots prior to buying and spent a bit less on the bindings, but I still have my same helmet since no major severe crashes with it yet). Added other protective gear pretty quickly - impact shorts, knee pads, and tried a variety of wrist guards as I fell a ton while learning which hurt a lot and I was a scaredy cat for more serious injuries which hampered my progression as a beginner (I still ride with protective gear for peace of mind even now, helpful for park progression and trying things outside my comfort zone). Added the Burton EST tool after a trip where my binding screws were coming loose during a run, added a snowboard lock after my friend had his board stolen, added portable boot dryer after trip where it rained all the time and my boots were still damp the next day... etc etc.

In retrospect, the only gear I feel like I missed out while I was a beginner was snowboarding socks. Other "do-overs" would be getting nicer better fitting boots to start and bibs instead of pants. I've upgraded my googles, jacket, bibs, gloves, boots, snowboard, and bindings a few times as my older models get worn out and added fancier baselayers (I just follow specific items that I want to upgrade to for sales and watch end-of-season sales). For me, I enjoyed starting with entry level gear that I didn't worry too much about and when I gained more experience, I had a better idea what I needed to get as an upgrade and what specific gear would improve my time on the mountain.
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Thanks a lot once again for all your advises. I will look into it. And especially spend some time in store trying the materials. I will invest in two phases as per follow. If anything is irregular based on your experience or if can do better choices, pleased to receive some feedback ;)

Phase 1

Boots

Nidecker - Rift

Snowboard
Nitro - Cinema - 1m55 (for 1m75 height + 68kg)

Bindings
Rossignol - Fix Snowboard Rossignol Battle Black White - M-L

Jacket
Burton - Men's Burton [ak] Helitack GORE‑TEX 2L Hedge Green

Pants
Burton - Pantalon [ak] Cyclic GORE-TEX 2 L

Bibs
Burton - Men's [ak] Cyclic GORE-TEX 2L Bib Pants (Short)

Goggles
Anon - M4 including 2 lenses + 1 additional for different weather conditions

Helmet
POC - Fornix
https://www.pocsports.com/fr/products/fornix?variant=36049888641176

Gloves
Burton - [ak] Clutch GORE-TEX Gloves

Socks
Smartwool - Snowboard Targeted Cushion Logo Over The Calf Socks

Binding/Board fixations
Burton - Bullet Tool

Wall mount – Snowboard
Burton - Snowboard Wall Mounts

Phase 2

T-shirt

Smartwool - Men's Classic Thermal Merino Base Layer Crew

Pants
Smartwool - Men's Classic Thermal Merino Base Layer Bottom

Pull
Smartwool - Men's Classic All-Season Merino Base Layer 1/4 Zip

Après-ski
Moon Boot - Bottes Icon Black Nylon

Hood
POC - Balaclava

Hat
Burton

Board wax
Burton - All-Season Fast Wax
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a lot of stuff
Do you know if you like goretex or not? I ask because not a single piece of my gear is gore-tex and I hate the stuff personally. I ride in conditions down to -25f sometimes and it hasn't done my dirty with the correct layering. Ask yourself, do you really need to spend this much? Do you NEED a balaclava? A neck gaiter and beanie will do you just fine. Shit I bought my beanie from home depot for 8 dollars and its served me well at night. There is also no need to buy it all from a single brand, things will usually fit well together. Once I committed to buying my own snowboard gear in full I bought everything piecemeal and on sale. Ive got Howl mittens (mittens are superior to gloves in my experience), a Thirtytwo jacket, Oakley pants, Smith goggles, and most of my baselayers are crap I bought at a department store for super cheap. My mid layer is just some decent fleece pants that were 60 bucks or so, and a wool sweater with elbow/shoulder pads that was like 80. As long as you know the materials you're looking for and what you want its easy to score deals on non-snowboard branded stuff that will sometimes fit your needs better than expensive products aimed at the snow board audience. Ive been riding hard for a few seasons after a long break, I still dont have a tool, or wax (I just dont wax and honestly havent noticed much of a difference but thats subjective), and on my third season of being fully committed I bought an extra lens for storms. Listen to @money4me247, buy the basics on sale, and then upgrade throughout the seasons.
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I’m honestly not sure if this thread is a wind-up or not??!!

I have a lot of questions…

Starting with: are you a teenage girl who wants people in the airport to know you are going on a ski trip?
Unless you answer YES, you will not need these:

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For Phase I:
  • Only get the pants or the bibs (don't need both) - I vote bibs.
  • Helitrack is pretty heavily insulated (says 200g down in body). That means it'll likely be too hot for spring riding or warmer temperatures (sunny day without wind at mid-30-40 degrees Fahrenheit can be a bit toasty in my lightly insulated jackets which only have 60-80 grams of primaloft) so if you are planning to ride warmer weather, may be better to get a pure shell + midlayer (like a fleece) for flexibility. If you don't want to worry about layering as much or ride only in really cold weather, the warmer jackets may work better for you. It also depends on how active you are when snowboarding - if no standing around and just making laps, you heat up pretty quickly AND what temperatures do you normally ride in.
  • No need for a second pair of lens for the M4, it already bundles a normal ("variable condition") lens and a cloudy lens. I think a normal/variable condition lens is already sufficient for most conditions unless it gets super cloudy and low visibility when you swap to the low light lens. I've only thought it was too bright with the variable lens when it was really sunny bluebird days at Park City, Utah. Where I normally ride on the East Cost of the US, I never needed sunny lens - usually overcast weather.
  • I like the EST tool better than the bullet tool because I carry the tool on me while I ride so I'm personally looking for the smallest/lightest/compact tool. Remember you can always just use a normal screw driver if you are changing things at home / your car / hotel.
  • Also Burton got hacked, so can't buy anything online from them, have to call in orders.
For Phase 2:
  • No need for a Balaclava as the M4 goggles will have a magnetic facemask that is bundled.
  • No need for a beanie hat in my experience & don't get one with puffy ball ontop if you are riding with a beanie (won't fit well under the helmet). The padding on the helmet is already warm enough (unless that beanie hat is for walking around, not snowboarding)...
  • You should definitely wear a helmet btw. Your brain is very precious. If you ever meet anyone with a severe traumatic brain injury, you can see how much life changes not only for you but also your family and loved ones.

Overall, for the outerwear, I think you need some more comparative data (aka go on a trip and see how you feel (warmth/cool-wise) with whatever gear you have now to see what actually suits your conditions and preferences. You mentioned you are a beginner/intermediate, so you should have already had a few trips worth of experience. What were you riding with then?
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I’m honestly not sure if this thread is a wind-up or not??!!

I have a lot of questions…

Starting with: are you a teenage girl who wants people in the airport to know you are going on a ski trip?
Unless you answer YES, you will not need these:
Did your mother never learned you not be rude? It's clear some people have money frustration here ;)

For your info, everybody is wearing Moon Boot after a long day of sport in my country.

I am not here to ask for personal opinion on how I should spend my money but on coherent material selection and advises for that purely.

Fortunately money4me247 is the king here
Just do what you usually do when you buy stuff. Get to a shop, try and buy what you like…you can wear the the moon boots all day long:))))
For your info, everybody is wearing Moon Boot after a long day of sport in my country.
oh I’m so sorry. I didn’t realise. In that case they’re a no-brainer then.
For Phase I:
  • Only get the pants or the bibs (don't need both) - I vote bibs.
  • Helitrack is pretty heavily insulated (says 200g down in body). That means it'll likely be too hot for spring riding or warmer temperatures (sunny day without wind at mid-30-40 degrees Fahrenheit can be a bit toasty in my lightly insulated jackets which only have 60-80 grams of primaloft) so if you are planning to ride warmer weather, may be better to get a pure shell + midlayer (like a fleece) for flexibility. If you don't want to worry about layering as much or ride only in really cold weather, the warmer jackets may work better for you. It also depends on how active you are when snowboarding - if no standing around and just making laps, you heat up pretty quickly AND what temperatures do you normally ride in.
  • No need for a second pair of lens for the M4, it already bundles a normal ("variable condition") lens and a cloudy lens. I think a normal/variable condition lens is already sufficient for most conditions unless it gets super cloudy and low visibility when you swap to the low light lens. I've only thought it was too bright with the variable lens when it was really sunny bluebird days at Park City, Utah. Where I normally ride on the East Cost of the US, I never needed sunny lens - usually overcast weather.
  • I like the EST tool better than the bullet tool because I carry the tool on me while I ride so I'm personally looking for the smallest/lightest/compact tool. Remember you can always just use a normal screw driver if you are changing things at home / your car / hotel.
  • Also Burton got hacked, so can't buy anything online from them, have to call in orders.
For Phase 2:
  • No need for a Balaclava as the M4 goggles will have a magnetic facemask that is bundled.
  • No need for a beanie hat in my experience & don't get one with puffy ball ontop if you are riding with a beanie (won't fit well under the helmet). The padding on the helmet is already warm enough (unless that beanie hat is for walking around, not snowboarding)...
  • You should definitely wear a helmet btw. Your brain is very precious. If you ever meet anyone with a severe traumatic brain injury, you can see how much life changes not only for you but also your family and loved ones.

Overall, for the outerwear, I think you need some more comparative data (aka go on a trip and see how you feel (warmth/cool-wise) with whatever gear you have now to see what actually suits your conditions and preferences. You mentioned you are a beginner/intermediate, so you should have already had a few trips worth of experience. What were you riding with then?
Many thanks again, very helpful :) for the riding places: France, Switzerland, Romania (Transylvania)
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