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He won't answer you Deviant. Look at his post history; the guy is a troll who just tries to start shit with everybody. He is also a self proclaimed anti Neversummer guy and used a thread that had nothing to do with brands and made his typical comment about how he has moved on from Neversummer. Ironic considering how many times he is compelled to bring it up in unrelated threads.

Shows what I know, lol, not as active here as I used to be. That's pathetic though.
 

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What's funny is I actually had this discussion with friends recently, comparing all kinds of NS and Lib/Gnu decks. My Heritage, Cobra and ProtoHD are all lighter than the equivalently sized Gnu RC, T.Rice, Jamie Lynn, Dark Series, etc...
 

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What's funny is I actually had this discussion with friends recently, comparing all kinds of NS and Lib/Gnu decks. My Heritage, Cobra and ProtoHD are all lighter than the equivalently sized Gnu RC, T.Rice, Jamie Lynn, Dark Series, etc...
They are, but it really only matter when lugging the deck up the mountain. As discussed in the other thread, otherwise the difference in weight is pretty insignificant - and becomes even less percentage-wise when you include bindings, split gear, etc.

Oh, and some NS decks are in fact still pretty chunky, say the Premier F1.
 

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Oh, and some NS decks are in fact still pretty chunky, say the Premier F1.
This is true based on my experience. My NS Premier starts to feel heavy hanging from my leg on the lift by the end of the day. Whereas my similar length Lib feels much lighter.
 

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This is true based on my experience. My NS Premier starts to feel heavy hanging from my leg on the lift by the end of the day. Whereas my similar length Lib feels much lighter.
You make it sound like they are pounds apart. People sound weak on here when they complain about a few ounces/grams of difference. Your own body weight is different every time you go out, but nobody says "Man, I must be 0.5 lbs lighter today because I just nailed that 360!"
 

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This is true based on my experience. My NS Premier starts to feel heavy hanging from my leg on the lift by the end of the day. Whereas my similar length Lib feels much lighter.
You make it sound like they are pounds apart. People sound weak on here when they complain about a few ounces/grams of difference. Your own body weight is different every time you go out, but nobody says "Man, I must be 0.5 lbs lighter today because I just nailed that 360!"
After the weight reduction thread I took more notice of the weight of my board and with my left knee meniscus tear and degrading cartilage under my patella, the weight difference in the two boards I ride, however negligible, was certainly noticeable (same bindings.) I would get more pain in my knee (when not using the bar) with my T. Rice HP (161.5) than with my Proto (157), which is lighter than the Lib.
 

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You've got a hell of a lot more board in the Rice 61 than the 57 proto. The extra length plus the Rice is a midwide. So yeah, it's gonna be heavier.

Neither brand is light.

I was kinda looking forward to how thsi thread would dvelope until numbnuts decided to turn it into an NS vs Mervin thread. I wanted to see what the general communities feelings, thoughts, and reactions were on basalt.
 

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my gf's Pandora feels like its damn near weightless..my evo on the other hand has a pretty decent weight to it. its not heavy, but i wouldnt call it light either.
i cant imagine ever choosing a board or company based solely on a few ounces here or there..especially when changing bindings or boots or even socks can completely negate the difference.
 

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You make it sound like they are pounds apart. People sound weak on here when they complain about a few ounces/grams of difference. Your own body weight is different every time you go out, but nobody says "Man, I must be 0.5 lbs lighter today because I just nailed that 360!"
Negative. I'm a fairly fit dude. I just happen to have a bum left knee that acts up from to time. The weight does get noticeable after a full day. I only notice it on the lift at the end of the day, not when I'm riding. To clarify.
 

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So at a glance the stuff is stiffer, have better tensile strength, better at dampening and more resistant to environment and wear factors.

Uniformity is less consistent than glass and there's less supply. Slightly heavier but then mervin claim it's lighter, so they must be able to use less of it due to its properties.

Seems like a good alternative for at mid-high end market product, considering the way hey described they cost. And depending how big the variance in consistencies of the product, may not be suitable for a race product.
 

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I wanted to see what the general communities feelings, thoughts, and reactions were on basalt.
higher strength and stiffness, slightly higher weight than glass. Harder to manufacture but much more environmentally friendly.

hows the dampening compared to glass, carbon, and aramid

"the basalt/epoxy sample's strength tested 13.7 percent higher than that of the E-glass and exhibited 17.5 percent greater stiffness, although the basalt sample was 3.6 percent heavier. [Ed: Other tests have shown basalt fibers to be about 2-3% heavier than E-glass and 5-6% heavier than S-glass so this needs to be factored in."

im bummed mervin hasnt done more with vectran fibers. They use it in the eco/altered genetics for years and the cygnus. I've dealt with vectran rope and it is crazy strong for its weight.
 
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