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Hi there -

I'm torn between which size to get for the Bataleon Surfer - 154 or 159.

I'm about 6'1" and weigh around 170-175lbs. I ride a Capita DOA 154 as my everyday board... I'll be spending two weeks in Japan this winter and ride Tahoe as my home mountain/area.

I know the 159 Surfer would be ideal for the deep JaPow snow but think the 154 Surfer would be more fun/playful for the tight tree runs and spring slush days in Tahoe.

What do you guys think?
 

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Hi there -

I'm torn between which size to get for the Bataleon Surfer - 154 or 159.

I'm about 6'1" and weigh around 170-175lbs. I ride a Capita DOA 154 as my everyday board... I'll be spending two weeks in Japan this winter and ride Tahoe as my home mountain/area.

I know the 159 Surfer would be ideal for the deep JaPow snow but think the 154 Surfer would be more fun/playful for the tight tree runs and spring slush days in Tahoe.

What do you guys think?
Why not save a huge amount of cash and get the party wave?
more volume and float for that japan pow anyway, probably more pop in the tail too which you'll be used to on a d.o.a.
 

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You won't have a problem with the 159 for treeruns either, it's a quick turning swallowtail. For spring slush I prefer other boards.
 

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Hi there. I'm the same weight as you and got the Surfer in 159. After using in handful of times I've got to say this board is all hype and I regret spending $900.
I start with the flex; to my knowledge (and liking) powder boards, directional camber or not, should have stiffer tail than nose. The Surfer though is very soft in the tail. The swallowtail is cut super deep which makes it even softer.
3D (3BT) is ok for jibbing, but in pow it almost takes away the lift from the nose. TBH it's a park board with powder shape. (?)
Also, the sintered base is very soft. I've put scratches in it riding over some ice!
It's still a fun board for euro carving (Tyler Chorlton!!!) on slush or groomers but I would look elsewhere for powder specific board. Just my 2c
 

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Hi there. I'm the same weight as you and got the Surfer in 159. After using in handful of times I've got to say this board is all hype and I regret spending $900.
I start with the flex; to my knowledge (and liking) powder boards, directional camber or not, should have stiffer tail than nose. The Surfer though is very soft in the tail. The shape is fun to look at but that's it, the swallowtail is cut super deep which makes it even softer.
3D (3BT) is maybe ok for jibbing, but in pow it almost takes away the lift from the nose. TBH it's a park board with powder shape. (?)
Also, the sintered (apparently) base is very soft. I've put scratches in it riding through ice!
It's still a fun board for euro carving (Tyler Chorlton!!!) on slush or groomers or but I would look somewhere else for powder specific board. Just my 2c
Looking at the specs on this board it has a pair of carbon strips either side of the nose and the tail which you would think would stiffen the board up. The Archetype has a similar carbon strip layout in the tail but not in the nose. I was thinking about grabbing this board but the owner reviews seem a little mixed.
 

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Looking at the specs on this board it has a pair of carbon strips either side of the nose and the tail which you would think would stiffen the board up. The Archetype has a similar carbon strip layout in the tail but not in the nose. I was thinking about grabbing this board but the owner reviews seem a little mixed.
Carbon strips or none, flex is below medium. 4 on Bataleon scale.
 

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Just back from a week in Japan where I rode a Mind Expander for 5 days in some pretty tight trees at time. Loved the board!
I dont have much reference as I have not ridden many board but the Mind Expander is light, quick and just about the flex I want, playful but not soft.
I rode my Hovercraft split a couple of days, and they are really quite different. The Mind Expander is a powder tree board, it turns so quick and float so long. I could see the difference with some other guys on flatter section, they were just thinking about keeping speed where I kept playing around.
I ll try to write a review over the weekend.
 

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Just back from a week in Japan where I rode a Mind Expander for 5 days in some pretty tight trees at time. Loved the board!
I dont have much reference as I have not ridden many board but the Mind Expander is light, quick and just about the flex I want, playful but not soft.
I rode my Hovercraft split a couple of days, and they are really quite different. The Mind Expander is a powder tree board, it turns so quick and float so long. I could see the difference with some other guys on flatter section, they were just thinking about keeping speed where I kept playing around.
I ll try to write a review over the weekend.
What size Mind Expander were you on, and was it the perfect size?
 

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I was on the 158. I am 83kgs, 1.8m and a size 11US. This is definitely the right size.
Practically identical size and weight. Looking forward to your review on how this board rode in Japan.
TJ's review. Sit back and relax<img src="http://www.snowboardingforum.com/images/SnowboardingForum_2015/smilies/tango_face_glasses.png" border="0" alt="" title="Nerd" class="inlineimg" />

How does this compare to a fish!??
 

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My 159 '20 Surfer has arrived in Australia and is in the post at present. The owner took some snaps for me. No black other than graphics...., just a totally white board.
 

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Why not save a huge amount of cash and get the party wave?
more volume and float for that japan pow anyway, probably more pop in the tail too which you'll be used to on a d.o.a.
The Party Wave that I had was pretty underwhelming - to my mind, why not funnel that $600aud into a proper board? Long sidecut + soft flex + camber functionality being robbed by 3BT.....

Hi there. I'm the same weight as you and got the Surfer in 159. After using in handful of times I've got to say this board is all hype and I regret spending $900.
I start with the flex; to my knowledge (and liking) powder boards, directional camber or not, should have stiffer tail than nose. The Surfer though is very soft in the tail. The swallowtail is cut super deep which makes it even softer.
3D (3BT) is ok for jibbing, but in pow it almost takes away the lift from the nose. TBH it's a park board with powder shape. (?)
Also, the sintered base is very soft. I've put scratches in it riding over some ice!
It's still a fun board for euro carving (Tyler Chorlton!!!) on slush or groomers but I would look elsewhere for powder specific board. Just my 2c
Thanks for the review - interesting to get an opinion that counters the hype!

Just back from a week in Japan where I rode a Mind Expander for 5 days in some pretty tight trees at time. Loved the board!
I dont have much reference as I have not ridden many board but the Mind Expander is light, quick and just about the flex I want, playful but not soft.
I rode my Hovercraft split a couple of days, and they are really quite different. The Mind Expander is a powder tree board, it turns so quick and float so long. I could see the difference with some other guys on flatter section, they were just thinking about keeping speed where I kept playing around.
I ll try to write a review over the weekend.
Interesting... I've shortlisted the ME for Japan next year.

How does it carve [both in chop and on perfect groomed]? I'm looking for something that floats well AND can carve up a storm when the pow has been tracked out.

Oh, and bombing? Is it alright, or does it get squirrelly?
 

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You'll have to wait 10 months. I will be taking both BS 159 and Fish 161 as well as Dump Truck 163 to Hokkaido next year. The fish is a brilliant board in powder. I fell in love with it straight away.
My 159 '20 Surfer has arrived in Australia and is in the post at present. The owner took some snaps for me. No black other than graphics...., just a totally white board.
Nice! Are you gonna ride it in Aus at all? I was toying with the idea of getting one, but I there's a lot on the shortlist [Mind Expander, Marhar Sasquatch, or something Japanese from Murasaki in
Pivot - Japanese boards are fcking light]
 
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