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Hey guys, new here, and somewhat new to snowboarding. Will be approaching my second season here in Colorado, and now that I have progressed I am looking to build my own setup. I am planning on buying a Never Summer Heritage and am torn as to what bindings to get. Really liking the Union Contact Pro's but also leaning towards the Union Chargers. Have also been considering the Flow NX2-AT. I am really liking the Chargers but have been told they have a lot of durabilty issues. I usually prefer to haul ass down mountains and through tree's as well as being able to make sharp turns as well as nice wide one's. Something responsive as well as somewhat stiff. Thank you in advance! :)
 

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The Chargers would be a fine binding for it. The contact Pro's would be alright, but maybe a little "looser" feeling in the response department. Klingers suggestion for the Cartels is a good one too. They should be similar in feeling to the Contact Pro's. The Rome Targa is another binding worth checking out. Not as stiff as the Chargers, but stiffer than the Contact Pro's and Cartels. FWIW, I rode mine last season with Rome 390 Boss bindings, but likely will be switching to some Targas this season.
 

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In order to avoid open another new topic I will ask permission to the author of this topic to share it because I am in a similar Situation I have a Never Summer Heritage X 2014 size 159 and I pretend to buy a good pair of bindings to match with these boards and with my K2 Thraxis. I think I am looking for a more oriented All Mountain Binding something Medium/Stiff.
I would like to hear your opinions.
At moment I am considering Union Atlas or Force (I can't know the difference between them Yet), Rome Targa (the most cool design in my opinion but I also read bad things about it), Ride Capo (don't know much about it, but seems reliable solid stuff) and the Burton Cartels that (but it seems there are diferent version on this model reflex, etc and I don't know wich to choose)
In advance I want to thank you for your opinions
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the only thing that makes me a little skeptical of the cartels is the thin piece of plastic that holds the highbacks to the binding and the big gap where the forward lean adjuster is. theres a guy that rides at my resort that completely folded in the plastic on the inside of the highback and doesnt look as though he would be getting too much response with it. he still rides with them though, not sure he realizes its even there. anybody else experience this? it could just be from improper adjusting.
 

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What boots do you have?

All I can say is the Atlases and Cartels are both really good, versatile all mountain bindings. The differences between them are marginal and mostly come down to individual preference. The one thing I definitely like better about my atlases is that they are more adjustable. I believe they have made several changes to both the Contact Pros and Forces in the last year or two so I can't really comment on the differences there. Pretty sure the Targas, Chargers, and Capos will all be stiffer so really just depends what you're looking for.
 

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I have a pair of K2 Thraxis, and also have a pair of old Salomon faction but the K2 Thraxis are the ones that I will use most of the time.
 

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What size? The reason I ask is I've found that the adjustable heel loop on the Atlases makes centering "in between" sized boots much easier. Also while I've never tried the Targas I know that the 390s have a pretty narrow heel loop. Just something to consider.
 

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I don't think either of those has a very reduced footprint so you should be ok with a large in any of those bindings. I went from a size 12 forum kicker to an 11.5 32 lashed which also has a more reduced footprint this year and found my large cartels wouldn't center on some of my boards. Really don't think you can go wrong with any of those options, just depends how aggressive you want to go.
 

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By the way and regarding my boot size 11.5 US (on the outside the boot measures 33cm), should I be better with a board with only 25.6 waist width 160 long, or on a board with 26.4 waist width and 159 long?
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First I want to thank you all for your opinions.
Has I was forced to move (out of stock) from the wider version of the Heritage 159 (26.1 waist width) to the regular version of the Heritage 160 (25.6 waist width), now I have to consider another detail in the bindings for the Setup they should have a ramp angle that allow to avoid or minimize the toe and heel overhang that can be caused by my K2 Thraxis size 11.5 US (33cm measured of the outside of the boot).
 

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I have a HeritageX w/ 2013 Force-SLs on it. They're stiff & super responsive and I have no complaints about them.

However, I picked up some 2013ish (not exactly sure of the year) Cartels at an REI garage sale that I didn't get around to mounting on anything until last spring when I was in CO for a couple of days. My brother in laws board I was on was awful, but those Cartels are the truth. I haven't mounted them up to my Heritage yet but probably will when the season starts. We're headed to Japan at Xmas and taking 2 boards & 1 pair of bindings each. I have to decide which pair I want to take.
 

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highme from what I understand you prefer the cartels over the Union Force what major diferences did you noticed (since you liked the Force's also).
By the way you were using a wide version of the heritage I would prefer to have that version also but it went out of stock and I have to move for a regular version with only 25.6 waist width and I am a litle worried if I will suffer of the overhang problem and I am searching for a good (medium/stiff) binding that also allow me to elevate my toe and heel in order to avoid or minimize the heel/toe overhang. Am I thinking right?
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...and the Burton Cartels that (but it seems there are diferent version on this model reflex, etc and I don't know wich to choose)
Burton bindings come in EST and Re:Flex. The difference is that the EST is compatible exclusively with boards featuring The Channel (really only Burton boards even though technically others can use it), while the Re:Flex is compatible with all major mounting systems.

You'd want to get the Cartel Re:Flex version if you plan on mounting them on the NS Heritage.

If that doesn't make sense, you can check out the EST and Re:Flex product manuals on Burton's site here: Burton Snowboards | Product Manuals
 

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DevilWithin Thanks for the explanation I am not familiar with Burton products now I already know the meaning of the "Reflex". Regarding the EST I already knew it.
By the way as you are a more experienced member of this forum perhaps you didn't mind to provide your opinion regarding my worries with the heel/toe overhang, and if it will be a problem what solutions do I have?
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If we are talking 2013 Forces then the highback is slightly stiffer with less lateral flex and a relatively similar base plate when compared to the cartel. However looking on Union's website they have upgraded both the highback and baseplate this year so it all depends what year you are planning on buying.

As far as board with: My size 11.5 32s measure 33.4 cms and right now I have about 6 boards ranging from 25.1 to 26.4 waist width. I can assure you that you will have no problems with overhang on anything over 25.5. 26.1 would be fine, but more than that and you are getting into too wide territory where you will probably notice a decrease in heel to toe response and may have difficulty centering your boots on the board. Remember a bit of overhang (about 1/2 an inch to an inch on either side) is necessary to give you leverage to turn your board on edge. No overhang is a bad thing.
 

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Regarding the bindings I am looking for 2013 and 2014 and if I decide to Unions I will choose the year that I will consider best for my setup because the price is similar. However a detail that I will take in consideration from now on is the possibility of reduce the overhang that I think it will may need to be reduced, I understand and apreciated you explanation and I am starting to become more relaxed regarding this matter of the overhang.
In case of no problem with the overhang it will be perfect but if in case of problems a binding that could give a help with the ramp angle would be a plus.
Coming back to the bindings regarding Cartels, Atlas and Forces they look similar from what you said and I like all of them. I will try to look at his footbed more in detail to imagine the ramp angle in order to help in my final decision. But regarding the Rome Targas that I also liked a lot I already know that they are a little more stiffer than the models I mentioned above but regarding his quality and reliability (I ask this because I read good and bad things about it).
And Brewton wich angles do you use on your bindings when you ride your board that has 25.5cm waist width?
 
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