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Guys and Gals. I'm new to the snowboard forum and would consider myself a transition between new-intermediate snowboarder and recently bought some new Burton Cartels for my Burton Process board. I wear size 10 boot and have a large binding. I wear Nike DK's, which I do know that Nike boots are probably some of the biggest boots out there. I went through as usual with setting up the bindings like my last ones...adjust the toe ramp, center the straps with the boot, adjust the high back parallel with the board, yada yada. after going out with the new set up, Ive noticed the back of my boots showing significant wear on the heal, where it rests against the high back. Since I ride goofy, I've noticed the most wear on the right boot that the insulation is poking through the whole. I don't know if it's issue with me ratcheting my bindings too tight, maybe my heel is moving while ratcheted causing the rub and wear or maybe I need to adjust the ankle strap so it is applying more pressure toward the high back when it is ratcheted to provide more stability, thus, no additional wear. Nothing like spending $200-$300 on boots and having them get chewed...I would appreciate some insight...Thanks!
 

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NO JOKE MAN! I just bought these DK's for this season...I did notice the ridges on the binding and found that to be the culprit. So other than that, no other fix really? No issues with ratcheting too tight or anything? Kinda sucks...I just didn't know if it was something I was doing...Maybe that is a flaw burton needs to know about.
 

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NO JOKE MAN! I just bought these DK's for this season...I did notice the ridges on the binding and found that to be the culprit. So other than that, no other fix really? No issues with ratcheting too tight or anything? Kinda sucks...I just didn't know if it was something I was doing...Maybe that is a flaw burton needs to know about.

Use that shit the guy told me about in the thread. Boots good as new. I ride Now IPO's now unless I am on my powder board, so I expect a little less wear.
 

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Thanks for help man. I ended up going out and getting some Malavita EST's and the same shop I bought the Cartels. There's no ridge on the lower of the high back on the Malavitas. I explained everything to the shop about the Cartels and a manager there said he works with Burton and knows the guy who helps design their bindings and said he'd talk to them and he'd see about what to do with my Cartels. I ended up getting a reply from Burton and they tried telling it was an issue with my boots and needed to contact Nike...yea okay...Ill wait and see what the manager of the shop says...If worse comes to worse, Ill sell the Cartels to somebody. Beats buying new boots in the future and having those get chewed up too.
 

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Ironically, my Burton Ruler boots put some pretty heavy wear on the ankle straps on my Union Atlas bindings. Maybe Burton gear is either a) just a lot tougher, or b) likes trashing competitor gear?
 

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Guys and Gals. I'm new to the snowboard forum and would consider myself a transition between new-intermediate snowboarder and recently bought some new Burton Cartels for my Burton Process board. I wear size 10 boot and have a large binding. I wear Nike DK's, which I do know that Nike boots are probably some of the biggest boots out there. I went through as usual with setting up the bindings like my last ones...adjust the toe ramp, center the straps with the boot, adjust the high back parallel with the board, yada yada. after going out with the new set up, Ive noticed the back of my boots showing significant wear on the heal, where it rests against the high back. Since I ride goofy, I've noticed the most wear on the right boot that the insulation is poking through the whole. I don't know if it's issue with me ratcheting my bindings too tight, maybe my heel is moving while ratcheted causing the rub and wear or maybe I need to adjust the ankle strap so it is applying more pressure toward the high back when it is ratcheted to provide more stability, thus, no additional wear. Nothing like spending $200-$300 on boots and having them get chewed...I would appreciate some insight...Thanks!
i have the cartels also and i have nike vapen boot. There is a hole in my back boot heal. it went right through the top material and you can see white. I think it is the ridges in the heal cup of the binding. It helps with your front foot but just tears through your back foot. I don't think i will buy cartels again.
 

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cwilson, I thought about filing down the ridges, but why does one need to spend $250+ on bindings and resort to altering them? The most recent email I again received from Burton was that they told me they could send me another high back but since they were used they could not set up a return, which is understandable. The Burton Missions also have the high back ridge, but my question is why is the ridge there if some of their other high end bindings like the Malavita, Genesis, and Diode do not have it?! I know those bindings have their heel hammock, but still...if it serves a purpose?! I love the Cartels and functionality isn't an issue, It's the fact that they will eat your $200+ boots!
 

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After reading this I had a look at my Burton Rulers when I got home. They have a line down the back of the calf/heel that looks like its designed to try and grip the ridges in the heel cup. No idea if it actually makes any difference to riding.
 

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Yep. That ridge down the back of the boots is called a backstay. It's a polymer or co-polymer that adds some rigidity to the boots so the don't break down as fast with boots without it. We put those ridges in the highback to interlock with the ridges of our boots for better heel hold.

It's unfortunate that other companies don't use such backstays because it does drastically pro-long the life of a boot. However, I can assure you that we didn't put them there to sabotage your non-burton boots.

Also, they've been in our highbacks for several years dating back to 2007.
 

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I have 2012 Cartel Restricted bindings and 2012 Ruler Restricted boots and they go great together. The only issue I've had is something is tearing up the rubberized material on the left side of my right (rear) boot. From what I can tell, the only thing rubbing that spot is the ankle strap, so maybe my riding technique is a little sloppy...
 

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I thought this thread was funny because half the time you see threads where people are like:

"my boots packed out in 10 days and I had to get new ones...15 days! ....I only got 20 days before these ones packed out"

or else people are like:

" WTF! I only have 40 days on these boots and now I have some scratches on the back...what do I do now!"....hehe

I can't figure you people out.
 

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BurtonBindings - appreciate the info on the reasoning of the ridges and backstay. How come no ridges on some of the newer bindings like the Malavita, Genesis, or Diode...because of the hammock back? Also, is the backstay on ALL burton boots? Thanks!
 
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