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Carving up a lip/bank toeside and riding down heel side

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#1 ·
I'm talking like riding down the hill, you spot a bank on your right you carve up it toeside at a steep angle and somehow end up riding down at an equally steep angle heelside

I've seen this done, but snowboard instructors refuse to teach me, they just say yeah that's a tough move you have to lean back which is scary.

Can someone walk me through this step by step, namely that transition at the apex...
 
#6 ·
as you're reaching the apex you can just engage the heel edge just like you're making a heelside stop (left, for regular rider), that should easily give you like 90-135 degree "rotation" that will be enough to position you to ride down the bank in your normal forward stance. you can style this out like a powerslide, a layback, but gravity ultimately takes over you just need to make sure you carry across the fall line (for lack of a better term) and you'll be properly oriented to ride down the bank coming out.

I guess it seems a little tricky at first because you're like, braking, but going "uphill" at that particular moment.
 
#7 · (Edited)
The reason instructors won't teach you is probably either because they've seen your ability already and don't want to say "You're not at the required level yet, you need to work on other things first" or it's not something they often teach, so they are unfamiliar with a progression they can use to teach you.

In reality, these types of maneuvers come from experience and understanding of how a board moves on snow in relation to the movements you make.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're after but here's a small progression you could use:
Practice super fast speed checks on the flat ground, but let the heel edge engage and carry you in a new direction. Slowly progress it to side banks, by riding up on a low angle, then turning and let the board ride back down the fall line on your heel edge. As you start to get it steeper you will need to skid/slide the first 90+desgrees of the turn by turning you upper body into the turn first and then letting your legs snap back round underneath you following your upper body.
The steeper the hill the more aggressive the turn needs to be, and eventually, as you've already been told, once you're going at a high angle up the hill you'll find you will need to lean backwards down the hill - you can think about dragging your rear hand if it help.

Possibly the best way to learn these types of things is by watching others and trying to mimic their movements as well. Where abouts do you currently ride?
 
#10 ·
The reason instructors won't teach you is probably either because they've seen your ability already and don't want to say "You're not at the required level yet, you need to work on other things first" or it's not something they often teach, so they are unfamiliar with a progression they can use to teach you.

In reality, these types of maneuvers come from experience and understanding of how a board moves on snow in relation to the movements you make.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're after but here's a small progression you could use:
Practice super fast speed checks on the flat ground, but let the heel edge engage and carry you in a new direction. Slowly progress it to side banks, by riding up on a low angle, then turning and let the board ride back down the fall line on your heel edge. As you start to get it steeper you will need to skid/slide the first 90desgrees of the turn by turning you upper body into the turn first and then letting your legs snap back round underneath you following your upper body.
The steeper the hill the more aggressive the turn needs to be, and eventually, as you've already been told, once you're going at a high angle up the hill you'll find you will need to lean backwards down the hill - you can think about dragging your rear hand if it help.

Possibly the best way to learn these types of things is by watching others and trying to mimic their movements as well. Which state are you in?
Thanks I think the issue is that I don't have enough speed on these, and the second I apply the heel side I'm falling backwards/sideways i.e. being stopped or turned by the hill itself

I'm in CA
 
#14 ·
hahaha they're even calling it a cutback and bumpin surfin' usa :laugh: toldja.

the other day one of my old riding buddies who charges pretty damn hard said to me he wished he had backside slashers looking as good as mine.... i damn near shed a tear - what a compliment! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 
#17 ·
By the way, Snowolf's description is for learning to turn on a pipe wall, mine is more directed at a progression to a slash on any steep wall, like in the "cutback" video posted above.

I'm not sure which one it is you were looking to accomplish, so just want to clear that up. Both are beneficial to each other, but have different goals and outcomes.
 
#19 ·
that became clear haha, yours was more wat i was looking for, thanks for that it worked great today, it was a matter of lack of speed, lack of rotation, lack of skid to initiate the turn, basically i was trying to literally make a sharp carve rather than a slash, which is probably not advisable.
 
#18 ·
It's tricky because your relationship to the fall line changes drastically when you ride up a banked wall, even if your momentum is relatively constant. If your mountain has a small half pipe, ride that. If you don't have access to one, just try riding a comfortable distance up the wall, and ride a flat board down. Just go up, then let gravity do its thing. It will give you a decent idea of when and how you can safely change edges.
 
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