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@WigMar the “throw yourself at the snow” idea is also helping quite a bit. Keeps me in the front seat.
I was thinking about this front seat idea yesterday. When you're running ++ angles, getting low through the turn gets you into the backseat. That automates the rearward weight shift naturally and well. I've been having to focus on getting as forward as I can early on. Opening my front knee hard as I'm throwing myself at the snow has been helping with that even more on heelsides. I'm chattering and washing out less. It feels like you're driving the board into the snow with your knees.
 

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Entertainment, mostly. Two years ago, when this thread started and the "extremely short wide board" was presented as the surprising solution to carving (along with body movements which were rather hard to explain), I was wondering if
a) everybody else had missed something important in the last twenty years or so
or b) you would revise your opinion, and if that, how long it would take.
Turns out that “b)” and “two years”.
I was also wondering when you would treat us to your good self putting your theories to the test (as in actually carving, on actual video, in actual non-perfect conditions).
Answer: maybe later, because, oh crap, all those pesky powder days.

Truer words were never written.

I thought this was a discussion, not an agreeing contest. I believe you said (at least you couldn't be bothered to enlighten me otherwise, instead choosing to chastize me about the quality of my “energy”) that one should get a special board for those rare days when conditions are nice enough that anyone halfway competent could carve on their toilet door. In case I haven’t made myself clear:
That's bullshit. If you can carve on hardpack but aren't able to carve leisurely on grippy snow there is something wrong with your technique, not with your board.

If your first board is a GS board with an 18 cm waist, then by all means get another board for those mellower days. If your first board is a modern slalom board, or an all-around alpine board, or anything meant to be ridden in softboots, chances are it is plenty mellow. And if anyone still insists that you need a “mellow” board, you might justifiably ask yourself why. Especially if it involves a faulty comparison with edged weapons.
This entire thread has been about searching, looking for , trying different things to do with carving and i think it has been great. I believe my technique has to change for different boards and different conditions and that there is always alternative ways to achieve the same result.
As i get older i am finding it harder to push hard all day so if changes to to technique, easier riding boards (shorter, lighter) for the conditions keeps me out there longer, than i am all for it. I am always open to new concepts, trying things etc (have nothing to lose and everything to gain).
Just because nobody has changed things in the last 20 years doesn't mean there are no changes to be had/made. If Kijima's ideas provoke all who are interested to ask questions and try different things and they work then that is great for everyone, if they don't work, nothing is lost and the journey has been enjoyed.
If anyone had said to me 20 years ago that we would be riding a 150cm board in powder i would have laughed, but here we are.

Aracan, if you believe that nothing important has been missed in the snowboard world in the last twenty years, well i have no problem with that (each to their own) but i don't understand why you would be looking at a forum thread that is clearly about a potential alternative to your beliefs
 

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This entire thread has been about searching, looking for , trying different things to do with carving and i think it has been great. I believe my technique has to change for different boards and different conditions and that there is always alternative ways to achieve the same result.
As i get older i am finding it harder to push hard all day so if changes to to technique, easier riding boards (shorter, lighter) for the conditions keeps me out there longer, than i am all for it. I am always open to new concepts, trying things etc (have nothing to lose and everything to gain).
Just because nobody has changed things in the last 20 years doesn't mean there are no changes to be had/made. If Kijima's ideas provoke all who are interested to ask questions and try different things and they work then that is great for everyone, if they don't work, nothing is lost and the journey has been enjoyed.
If anyone had said to me 20 years ago that we would be riding a 150cm board in powder i would have laughed, but here we are.

Aracan, if you believe that nothing important has been missed in the snowboard world in the last twenty years, well i have no problem with that (each to their own) but i don't understand why you would be looking at a forum thread that is clearly about a potential alternative to your beliefs
this guy gets it.
 

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I was thinking about this front seat idea yesterday. When you're running ++ angles, getting low through the turn gets you into the backseat. That automates the rearward weight shift naturally and well. I've been having to focus on getting as forward as I can early on. Opening my front knee hard as I'm throwing myself at the snow has been helping with that even more on heelsides. I'm chattering and washing out less. It feels like you're driving the board into the snow with your knees.
In thinking about what you’ve said here and thinking about my own experience I think it’s easier to get in the front seat when you move diagonally instead of laterally over the nose. I think that’s actuated by the knee roll or maybe the knee roll is the outcome. I don’t know.
 

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Dude Im doing exactly the same motion with my rear arm. It's a circle, everything is a circle.
I am starting heel turns standing high with no upper body rotation, my rear arm bent at the elbow around 45 degrees and held above head hight. Inside sholuder is dropped low.
I gradually squat so that max squat coincides with the max g force part of the turn. At that same point my rear arm is at its lowest and fully rotated.
Hula hoop out of the heel turn with the rear shoulder dropped and the front shoulder rotated.
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I don’t think of everything as a circle or even a combination of circles. That doesn’t give your connections of flow their due IMO.

All this stuff ... circles, hips, hands, hula, eagles, waving birds, waxing Daniels, etc regardless of whatever name we give the incremental parts they are all progressing towards a common goal of being able to dolphin dance really well. All the parts need to be assembled back together and once mastered then focus shifted to style and flow.
 

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See above. If you feel a quiver adds to your fun, then by all means build a quiver. Just don't tell me I need a mellow board because I might cut myself with a more capable board. Especially not if you are in the business of selling those mellow boards for $ 1,000 apiece.
 

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See above. If you feel a quiver adds to your fun, then by all means build a quiver. Just don't tell me I need a mellow board because I might cut myself with a more capable board. Especially not if you are in the business of selling those mellow boards for $ 1,000 apiece.
I think you’d cut yourself with any board.

@Paxford but the funny names are half the fun!
 

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If you managed to cut yourself on a Hula Hoop you obviously have found the secret that this thread is about. More power to you.
 

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I mean... people cut themselves with paper all the time.

Though I guess that does have a lot of effective edge for the sheet length so...

But also Aracan... Why are you like this doe?
 

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Rolling around your heel to exit a heel turn really pops you out of your turns.
In your house, stand against a wall take a step forward so that you can lean back into the wall. Go through the motions of your heel turn whilst resting your back against the wall and when you get to the end try rolling your full body weight around your back heel.
Get used to the feeling at home then put it to the snow and I bet you feel more edge hold and pop out of your heel turns.
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Here is something interesting. I wax my sidewalls because it easy to do while I have the heat gun out waxing my base, check out how much dirt I just wiped off my sidewalls. That's the stuff that slows you down, it's worth cleaning off.
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I just switched to boarding from sking last yr. I’m 5”10 riding a 167 t rice libtech board. Started with flow binding didnt like them. Just bought genesis binding. I noticed when I removed the flows somehow one was mounted further to toe edge. Not sure how this happened.
I noticed in your picture both bindings were angled further forward than I’d expect. Maybe this would be best for me also. I’m riding goofy footed and never will ride switch Every once in a while might get small air on high speed hits on almost always groomers. I’m 50 and just enjoy carving turns and getting more comfortable at speed. What angle would be best for this sort of riding. This was my last angle setup. Should I setup a little toward the back of board to smooth it out since no switch riding ?
 

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I just switched to boarding from sking last yr. I’m 5”10 riding a 167 t rice libtech board. Started with flow binding didnt like them. Just bought genesis binding. I noticed when I removed the flows somehow one was mounted further to toe edge. Not sure how this happened.
I noticed in your picture both bindings were angled further forward than I’d expect. Maybe this would be best for me also. I’m riding goofy footed and never will ride switch Every once in a while might get small air on high speed hits on almost always groomers. I’m 50 and just enjoy carving turns and getting more comfortable at speed. What angle would be best for this sort of riding. This was my last angle setup. Should I setup a little toward the back of board to smooth it out since no switch riding ?
The main thing you gain from more binding angle is a greater ability to rotate your upper body into a heel turn friendly position. I changed from duck stance +15 -15 to FF stance and I really enjoy it but it is such a personal thing. My angles are +48 +33 on most of my boards these days which sounds extreme but I slowly worked my way up to those numbers.
As a 50 year old looking to cruise groomers I think a forward forward stance would suit you for sure.
Set up at +30 +15 and steer with your front hip when you first try it. ✌
 

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Some people find more splay (angle difference between front and rear) facilitates a strong toeside turn. So if +30 +15 suits you, it's worth trying if +35 or even +40 and +15 (if your binding supports that) might suit you even better.
 

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Definitely play around with angles. I ride anywhere from 0/+18 to +9/+27 depending on the deck. If it’s soft snow/powder I like the smaller angles on my S camber decks. It lends more versatility/easier to land side hits. Icy and fast days I crank up the angles and bring out the long, full camber decks.
 

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Some people find more splay (angle difference between front and rear) facilitates a strong toeside turn. So if +30 +15 suits you, it's worth trying if +35 or even +40 and +15 (if your binding supports that) might suit you even better.
Do you think it's more splay or a more square rear foot that adds power to toe turns?
Like creating that same splay by reducing the rear angle instead would probably make more people feel a stronger toe turn.
I have found I like more rear angle as I started doing my toe turns with a rotated upper body, when my body was more square I liked the more square rear angle.
 
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