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Maybe it is just me, i like my vert in the pipe and thats about it.

We used to have tons of table tops and massive kickers that you could get a SERIOUS amount of air off of.

Now, its like they are pressed for space or something and build all of these jumps with knuckles and verts that launch your board over your waistline.


Why is this becoming the standard in snowboarding? I really don't understand it. sometimes you are going down a black slope directly into this nasty lip, personally i find it hard to spin off jumps like these.

I dont want to be off axis in the air, and the more extreme the vert the less likely i am to hop flat into the air.

to be honest I dont much enjoy , especially the small ones with huge verts, ive cleared a few landings recently and have had to nose dive to avoid breaking a leg.

im used to popping off lips and these feel more like absorbers to me.. hate absorbing...
 

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I fully agree. The hill I go to is very much a beginner's hill and every jump except one had the vert take-off. I think the only guys capable of spinning off axis were the park maintenance kid and his two buddies who built them. Every other kid who I saw attempt them just got bucked wildly into the air. Amusing as hell from the lift but annoying for the kids and to me the few times I did want to hit a few booters.
 

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I fully agree. The hill I go to is very much a beginner's hill and every jump except one had the vert take-off. I think the only guys capable of spinning off axis were the park maintenance kid and his two buddies who built them. Every other kid who I saw attempt them just got bucked wildly into the air. Amusing as hell from the lift but annoying for the kids and to me the few times I did want to hit a few booters.
Nothing worse than cookin' into a booter to loose control coming off the lip.. The main reason why I'm more rail/box oriented.. A couple big slams off those lips quickly diminished my confidence..

Where do you ride SD? I'm from Cornwall:dunno:
 

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Personally, as long as they are shaped properly, I like jumps that throw you up in the air.

I understand why some people don't like being so high, or have trouble staying level in their spins though. A lot of the jumps at Northstar and Squaw are like that - it's like the park designer expects everyone to go inverted off of them.
 

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Nothing worse than cookin' into a booter to loose control coming off the lip.. The main reason why I'm more rail/box oriented.. A couple big slams off those lips quickly diminished my confidence..

Where do you ride SD? I'm from Cornwall:dunno:
My pass is at Pakenham because it is cheap and only a couple minutes from our cottage which we need to shovel off every time it snows. I also ride the close Quebec ones like Fortune and Cascades throughout the season just to change it up a bit.
 

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Nice, I ride the mosquito tit they call Rigaud after work because it's 45 mins away from me.. But on weekends I've been heading to Sauveur pretty much exclusively just for their park.. with a trip to Tremblant and Orford in there somewhere.
 

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Couldn't agree more. Back in the old day, jumps used to be built like this... Except you'd hit this coming from the bottom right in the picture, over the jump. If you didn't get enough speed you'd just roll over the jump. Too much speed and you could lift your legs on the face to absorb the jump and abort. Made for very easy progression.



Now most jumps I see look like this. And frankly, my balls aren't that big.



Which is probably why I prefer freeriding, so I get to hit stuff like this... Where you can go as big or as small as you want depending on your mood.

 

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As long as the transition in the landing is built right, I don't mind. I like tabletops or slight step ups with a lot of lip that you can send really deep; those are really safe because you can't hit that hard if you clear the knuckle and even if you come up short, it's still safe.
 

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Flat jumps are just as bad. Nothing worse than not being able to speed check a jump and still not having enough speed to spin off it. The jumps here are built completely flat or massive kickers with no transition. I just wanna join the park crew to show them how to build jumps. They just don't know how to build lips and transitions right.
 

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Flat jumps are just as bad.
I agree... to me spinning off a jump while you are only a few feet above the ground (even if you are covering like 30 feet) feels less than satisfying. Basically just hovercrafting over the snow... not that I demand going into lower orbit... just high enough to be able to fly "over" someone standing in the gap.

This is of course separate from the fact that poorly built jumps (lippy or flat) are just not fun to ride.
 

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I don't mind steep takeoffs that shoot you high as long as the landing matches up. What I don't like are super wu-tang quarter pipe lips on jumps that send you into orbit only to explode on the knuckle
 

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At the begining of this season I would have argued for the flat jump, because I was comfortable on them and I was really wary of the poppy lips. I've actually come to like the more poppy steeper transitions now that I'm used to them, I find it takes less effort to spin off them and as mentioned above, the height is more satisfying.

The first time I hit one of these my chin ate my knees off the lip, so I completely understand why some people don't like them, but the fact they are in every park might give some indication that they are favorable.

I also agree with Snowolf, multiple kickers on one platform can make the best of a space and provide variety but I dont see many around...
 

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Like I said. There is no reason other than laziness that every jump can`t have two kickers to satisfy both types of riders....:dunno:
Agreed. Here there really isn't room for that, but they still are lazy and only build flat kickers. Almost never make the landings.
 

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Here's a little off-piste jump I hit on Saturday. I only hit it once unfortunately, so I checked my speed more than I would have if I'd done it again. But jumps like this I love...

 

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Here's a little off-piste jump I hit on Saturday. I only hit it once unfortunately, so I checked my speed more than I would have if I'd done it again. But jumps like this I love...
Me a half decade ago. Figures the one time I actually get someone to setup below and film me, I lean too far forward and wash out

 

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^^^ Sweet! Like those kind of jumps too. I guess I sum up my thoughts on this thread, and in life, by saying I don't like commitment. I like jumps I can leave at the altar... :laugh:
 
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