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Finally rode my Arbor Coda. I love this board, it is fun. Has a lot of pop, more so than my Evo I feel like. I was hitting jumps larger than I ever have before and nailed all of them. At my age that's quite the accomplishment. It felt super stable on landings, more than the Evo, and I want to say about the same as the SL but I'm much improved now than when I rode the SL last year.

That said, I'm having a hell of a time flatbasing or riding anything semi flat. If I just lay it flat, the thing has a mind of its own. It'll squirrel left or right, or just slowly start drifting to one side and I'll have to really really overcompensate the other way to point it straight. If I put it on edge slightly, it still doesn't solve it. If I put it on my toe edge, the tail will slide out. I have to shift back and forth which makes me lose speed. On the NS r/c, I could just lean forward and engage the camber and just go.

But it's a good thing the base felt fast. Albeit very very soft. I got some deep scratches just from the groomers. Less durable than NS for sure.
 

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sorry, no real advice here, as I never rode the Arbor - but wanted to say congrats on nailing your jumps (at your age - I feel the same about my riding nowadays) and also ouch! on getting scratches from the groomers

Can it be a defect? I always hear that Arbors ding easily and are not durable, but they have 'park' boards, so I can't quite comprehend this - deep scratches from groomers :mad: The Blacklist must be falling to pieces then,,,

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Are you squared up to your board? Center reverse camber boards will saucer if your form isn't really tight. That's the tradeoff since camber and flat boards will kind of keep themselves straight though will catch a contact point if pushed too far.

My Westmark tracks fast and straight when flat on groomers. However, as soon as I ride switch, I can feel it wanted to wander ever so slightly. This is my switch riding being slightly weaker than my normal stance.
 

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Are you squared up to your board? Center reverse camber boards will saucer if your form isn't really tight. That's the tradeoff since camber and flat boards will kind of keep themselves straight though will catch a contact point if pushed too far.

My Westmark tracks fast and straight when flat on groomers. However, as soon as I ride switch, I can feel it wanted to wander ever so slightly. This is my switch riding being slightly weaker than my normal stance.
I think i'm square, but how do you really know. I ride +18/-12 which was fine on the never summer's but feel really really weird on the arbor.

I know I need to play with that. When I try to square up it wanders more, and I'm almost chest straight ahead to keep it from flying to the right (toeside, I'm regular). When you're on a tight cat trail with a big cliff it gets kind of hairy! :laugh:

lernr, thanks. Yeah it felt good. Although one one series of jumps I nailed the first one, and there was one immediately after so while setting up I caught an edge (yes on a rocker board) and I have no clue how I caught it, but I was a scorpion right at the bottom of the jump.
 

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sorry, no real advice here, as I never rode the Arbor - but wanted to say congrats on nailing your jumps (at your age - I feel the same about my riding nowadays) and also ouch! on getting scratches from the groomers

Can it be a defect? I always hear that Arbors ding easily and are not durable, but they have 'park' boards, so I can't quite comprehend this - deep scratches from groomers :mad: The Blacklist must be falling to pieces then,,,

Cheers
Ivo
It's not a defect, just a softer base. After one day on groomers it has deeper scratches than my Evo which I took through trees and over some rocks. It's just anecdotal evidence on my part, but it's definitely softer. I'll just beat the shit out of it and then move on. The top sheet though I was expecting to see some damage because I banged a few things (moving from a 150 to 153) but no chips nothing. I even slammed into a bench (one foot skating to the bench and slid). Nothing.

I've never had to use Ptex before but I have a feeling I may on this one. Oh well, I knew that going in. The base is fast though.
 

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Are you squared up to your board? Center reverse camber boards will saucer if your form isn't really tight. That's the tradeoff since camber and flat boards will kind of keep themselves straight though will catch a contact point if pushed too far.

My Westmark tracks fast and straight when flat on groomers. However, as soon as I ride switch, I can feel it wanted to wander ever so slightly. This is my switch riding being slightly weaker than my normal stance.
How does the Blacklist/Westmark stack up against the Evo?
 

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Buy one and just ride it. I bought two Westmarks this season and just kept the same setup. It makes progressing easier when you don't have to dial in every single time to a new setup. I did ride a Draft because it's so similar to the Westmark, a Parkstar I found for cheap at a LBS and demoed a Signal. But overall, I have well over 30 on the Westmark and it's my favorite.
 

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I'm sold on the Blacklist, but a part of my mind keeps going back to the Evo.
I find the Arbors to be more fun to ride, but NS does have stronger bases IMO. As for the rest of the boards durability, I must of slammed my Westmark into hundreds of trees at Jay Peak a few weeks ago and the board held up way past my expectations.
 

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I find the Arbors to be more fun to ride, but NS does have stronger bases IMO. As for the rest of the boards durability, I must of slammed my Westmark into hundreds of trees at Jay Peak a few weeks ago and the board held up way past my expectations.
I heard that about the bases too, but I am glad to hear about the durability of the Westmark.
 

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Evo definitely softer & less damp than the Blacklist. Not sure how it would stack up against the Revolver, maybe more comparable but also a completely different shape to the NS boards and Arbor's park rocker.
Those are two good qualities that I am looking for. I am not really in to hitting rails so flexibility isn't that important. Mostly hitting jumps when in the park and bombing the groomers.
 

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Westmark/blacklist I think would be better suited for bombing high speed, less chatter on that than the Evo which is a super-fun board but just not quite as versatile IMO.
Its weird I've heard the exact opposite from other riders who rode both boards
 

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to each his own man... is the other riders Shayboarder? I just had a very similar conversation on another thread :)

i mean, i'm comparing the 57 Blacklist (midwide) to the 57 Evo so maybe that explains the differences but NS rates that evo as a 2/10 on dampening; the blacklist is more damp than that. Can, and do a lot of riders buy the Evo and use it as a one-board-quiver? Sure? Can it do it? Sure. But it's squarely a park-oriented board whereas the Blacklist blurs that line between park & all mountain a little bit better in my opinion. But that's all it is, my opinion.
 

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to each his own man... is the other riders Shayboarder? I just had a very similar conversation on another thread :)

i mean, i'm comparing the 57 Blacklist (midwide) to the 57 Evo so maybe that explains the differences but NS rates that evo as a 2/10 on dampening; the blacklist is more damp than that. Can, and do a lot of riders buy the Evo and use it as a one-board-quiver? Sure? Can it do it? Sure. But it's squarely a park-oriented board whereas the Blacklist blurs that line between park & all mountain a little bit better in my opinion. But that's all it is, my opinion.
Even from NS' website you can make that opinion. I think that the Evo would be able to hold up for all mountain, but like you said, it is more for park and the Blacklist blurs that like more making it a stick more for "all mountain."
 

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to each his own man... is the other riders Shayboarder? I just had a very similar conversation on another thread :)

i mean, i'm comparing the 57 Blacklist (midwide) to the 57 Evo so maybe that explains the differences but NS rates that evo as a 2/10 on dampening; the blacklist is more damp than that. Can, and do a lot of riders buy the Evo and use it as a one-board-quiver? Sure? Can it do it? Sure. But it's squarely a park-oriented board whereas the Blacklist blurs that line between park & all mountain a little bit better in my opinion. But that's all it is, my opinion.
Nope, no shayboarder. Reviews in this very forum.

OH well, I think both are close enough, and in my opinion (145 on a 150 and 152 2012 evo) the Evo held up nice on speed, but go fast enough it does start to chatter. It indeed might be split between the westmark and midwide blacklist, but I haven't rode those, so the splitting opinions may lead me to conclude it's close
 
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