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I've been wanting to get new bindings but I can't seem to decide between Burton's Stilettos (green) and Flow's Minx SE.
I've ridden with strap bindings, specifically Burton's so I know the deal with them but I can't help but want to try something new. I like the idea of being able to get into the bindings quickly and the fact that I could get out of my bindings while facing up the mountain; I have this horrible tendency to attempt this with my burton bindings even though I know it wont work out as well as I hope..

If anyone can shed light on how the Flow bindings feel and the response it has. (If possible, more specifically the Minx SE). Also, considering the fact that if I do end up getting Flow bindings I would probably need new boots.. anyone have any information about their boots as well?

I checked out their women specific boots and most of them have a more hard feel than soft... Anyone know of good women specific boots that might fit well with Flows? Or should I just stick with Flow boots. (I understand boots are made to fit with the specific company but can't help but ask)

I'll kind of miss the toe strap though (haha) If anyone has ridden with burton bindings and flow bindings, if you could shed some light one the situation, that'd be great! Thanks :)


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Current Snowboard: Burton GTwin (women)
Bindings: Burton Citizens
Boots: Burton Mint

(My setup was just thrown together about last year with little thought, with the exception of my board; kind of why I want new bindings.)

**Does anyone know if Burton addressed their slipping toe strap issue? :\


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not to thread jack, but i've sorta in the same condition?
I've bought some flow boots, and quattro bindings.

Flow is supposed to be consistent feel and ride, with the bonus of getting in and out quickly.

However, i find it really tough to slide my boots in (on dry land). I know flow says that when you're in the snow, it'll be easier. But i'm not to certain. Can someone shed light on this as well?

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Ok I have experience coming from burton custom bindings to flow nxt-at. Its not a direct comparison with the products you are talking about but is should be close. As you did I threw together a setup last year and rode it all year without knowing any better, the burton customs seemed fine to me at the time. Then I got the flow bindings. WOOAH these things rock in every way compared to the burton customs which I now believe are very stiff uncomfortable bindings that cause pressure points due to how tight you need to do them up. The flows can be a lot looser and still have a better hold on your boot compared to the burton. And of course getting in and out is much easier with the flows IF the bindings are sized correctly to your boots. I found I needed to go up a size with the flows to gain extra width at the heel area so flipping up the highback was a simple task rather than something that had to be perfectly aligned every time.
I rate the flows 9/10 and the burtons 2/10.

Now as for you nitrogen, If you cant get in easy on your bedroom floor nothing is going to change at the snow, infact snow build ups on the bindings and your boots will usually make it slightly harder to get into.
There can be 2 main problems with setting up your flow bindings.
The first is that you cant physically get your foot into the power strap far enough to be able to pull up the highback, to overcome this you need to back off the ratchetsso that the powerstrap will actually move forward towards the toe of your boot, this will give you heaps of room and it compensated by moving the highback in a bit if needed. Remember they dont need to be uber tight like traditional strap ins do.
The second is that once you you have your boot in the powerstrap your boot heel is too wide for the highback to pull up. In this case you need to go a size up in bindings.
 

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thanks ETM, i was doing it wrong because i was thinking of the old traditional toe/ankle strap, and was making the bindings too tight for my boot to fit in.
 

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Why? O__O;
because alot of people think flows suck, which they do, then some one like munkyspunk is going to get on here and bitch at you for not knowing anything cus he thinks they are the greatest things in the world.
 

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because alot of people think flows suck, which they do, then some one like munkyspunk is going to get on here and bitch at you for not knowing anything cus he thinks they are the greatest things in the world.
The closest this thread went to failing was when you made that generic post trying to round up some flow haters to come and shitbag this thread, that didnt happen and this thread didnt fail and you just earned 10 douchebag points.
 

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If you completely back off the power strap ratchets and gradually tighten them up whilst your boot(with your foot in it lol) is in the bindings you will find a point where the boot stops moving around in the binding, this is as tight as they need to be and you will find its a lot looser than you originally had them set up. PS once you have one set up count the teeth on the ratchet strap and just convert the same setup onto the other binding.
 
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This has been beaten to death and death and death. Use the search. You'll be up to your eyeballs in Flow posts.
I posted in hopes to get feedback from everyone who posts. It was obviously more specifically for girls since Flow bindings seem to be more specific for "All mountain/Freeride" rather than park/freestyle. They have only one binding thats specific and it's mountain/freestyle sooo... again, wanted feedback because there isn't much to choose from.
 
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Ok I have experience coming from burton custom bindings to flow nxt-at. Its not a direct comparison with the products you are talking about but is should be close. As you did I threw together a setup last year and rode it all year without knowing any better, the burton customs seemed fine to me at the time. Then I got the flow bindings. WOOAH these things rock in every way compared to the burton customs which I now believe are very stiff uncomfortable bindings that cause pressure points due to how tight you need to do them up. The flows can be a lot looser and still have a better hold on your boot compared to the burton. And of course getting in and out is much easier with the flows IF the bindings are sized correctly to your boots. I found I needed to go up a size with the flows to gain extra width at the heel area so flipping up the highback was a simple task rather than something that had to be perfectly aligned every time.
I rate the flows 9/10 and the burtons 2/10.
Thank you thank you! :D Glad to hear it! I guess I'm going to see if there are any more other feedback on the two and choose.
By the way which boots did you get with it? I'm trying to figure out which of the three I should get since all two out of the three are all mountain and the one that's mountain/freestyle is laces... I hate laces I gave those up as soon as the speed laces came out.

I would really hate going back.
 

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I ride thirty two boots cause I have a wide foot, this part of the reason I needed to size up cause I have wide boots and they fouled on the highback when I tried to lift it.
 
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I ride thirty two boots cause I have a wide foot, this part of the reason I needed to size up cause I have wide boots and they fouled on the highback when I tried to lift it.
Thanks so much. I'm going to try to find a place in NY that deals the Flows, gotta try them on or find boots that will do.
 

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Yeah make sure you get the boots first, ones that fit really well regardless of the brand and then get the flows to fit those boots and make sure that highback folds up easily, I cant stress that enough lol.
 

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because alot of people think flows suck, which they do, then some one like munkyspunk is going to get on here and bitch at you for not knowing anything cus he thinks they are the greatest things in the world.
Nah, I'll just take your approach and cry to the admins when people are being meanie-pants to me. :laugh:
 

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Yeah make sure you get the boots first, ones that fit really well regardless of the brand and then get the flows to fit those boots and make sure that highback folds up easily, I cant stress that enough lol.
+1. Boots first, then everything else. Whatever boots fit your properly (snug to the toe, as little heel lift as possible) and comfortably are the right boots for you, whether they are the cheapest boots in the store or the most expensive. More than anything it's your boots that will dictate whether you have a good riding experience or not, and a bad boot choice can make even the most incredible setup ride like trash.
 

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I have never tried Flows, so I can't comment there.

Stilettos were my first bindings and I literally threw them away after 10 days. I just couldn't handle the terrible straps any more. For the money Burton charges for those things, consider spending the same amount of money and getting a product that actually works. If you want to stick with Burton, upgrade to the Lexas. Or check out Ride Vxn, Ride Dva, Rome Madison, Union Milan, Union Trilogy, K2 Virtue. Anything but overpriced Stilettos. Really.
 
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I have never tried Flows, so I can't comment there.

Stilettos were my first bindings and I literally threw them away after 10 days. I just couldn't handle the terrible straps any more. For the money Burton charges for those things, consider spending the same amount of money and getting a product that actually works. If you want to stick with Burton, upgrade to the Lexas. Or check out Ride Vxn, Ride Dva, Rome Madison, Union Milan, Union Trilogy, K2 Virtue. Anything but overpriced Stilettos. Really.
Just have to ask, what was wrong with the straps?
 

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I posted in hopes to get feedback from everyone who posts. It was obviously more specifically for girls since Flow bindings seem to be more specific for "All mountain/Freeride" rather than park/freestyle. They have only one binding thats specific and it's mountain/freestyle sooo... again, wanted feedback because there isn't much to choose from.
My wife had the Essence (M series) for a couple of years. She loved them. We recently found the Prima's (NXT series) for a steal, so she picked them up. She isn't a hard charging boarder, she likes to just coast the groomers and enjoy herself.

She can't tell the difference. She just likes the way the Primas look (2009 model)... I have to agree with her, they're sharp.

I use the NXT-AT's for bombing, hitting small-medium jumps, 180's, and recently, to get my ass kicked by deep powder glades at Jay Peak. My avatar is of me getting spit out after being chewed up by The Ugly Tree... for what it's worth, my NXTs are in the shot too. I like them, they serve me very well.

I'll tell you what BA told me: You're probably not hitting Peak 5 at Silverton or turning 1260's in the halfpipe.... The all mountain M or NXT series will do just fine by you. It takes a bit to get them dialed in for a new pair of boots (watch the video on their site), but you'll know it when you hit the sweet spot - easy in and out, great response... Use nail polish to mark where the ratchets are and you'll never have to dial in again.

EDIT: BTW, if you ARE turning 1260's in the halfpipe, it's worth noting Scotty Lago brought home the bronze on his Flow bindings.
 
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