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Umpf... how ironic... I finally managed to learn to ride fast enough to stick to the tails of the guys at blacks, now they start buying telemark skis and want to spend the non-pow days on blues and reds :blink: Good thing: I finally get the time to play around, ride switch, improve carving.

I love my Flagship 158 on blacks and pow, but it is not the right board for such slow groomer days. Riding a NS Raptor 164 for a day, I was surprised, how much softer it was on bumpy groomers and how easy to carve, even if it was far too big for me. So I'm thinking of getting a second option for those days, when there's no fresh snow and the pack changes to telemarks.

My prerequisites: pure groomer board, softer than the Flagship, but must be stable at higher speeds (50mph) and nice to carve as the Raptor. There'll be a test day with these brands


Would be great, if you could give me some hints, what boards I sould have a closer look at and why.

I'm 120lbs, app. 450 days boarding (http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boards/52658-girl-jones-flagship-good-idea-1.html)
 

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Hmmm....I seem to recall that you like to ride the men's boards, and since I know practically nothing of women's boards, my suggestions shall be for men's. So, NS, check out the Heritage, maybe the Proto. Capita, scope the Totally F'ckin Awesome, or maybe the Black Snowboard of Death. Lib, I'd say maybe a TRS or Banana Magic, maybe a T.Rice. Gnu, try out one of they're crazy assym boards. I've heard they're fun. Ride, I'd say a Machette. Salomon, maybe the Man's Board (might be to stiff though), or the Salomonder. K2, the Happy Hour possibly. Nitro, the Team Gullwing. I don't know what else, that's all I got for you, and I'm sure someone will come through and tell me how wrong my suggestions are. Lol!
 

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Hmmm....I seem to recall that you like to ride the men's boards, and since I know practically nothing of women's boards, my suggestions shall be for men's.
Thanks for your list!

Yes... my last board, the Palmer Liberty Carbon, was my only woman's board so far ;) I happened to buy the Flagship since it was the most stable ride at the Nidecker test day last year, when I was looking for a fast pow stick. But I'm not fixated on men's boards.

The NS Infinity and Rossignol Diva are woman's boards, that raised my interest, for example.
 

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Since you have a knack for large stiff mens boards, I would agree on trying the Black Snowboard of Death...it may be too stiff though. Another good hybrid is the Salomon Sabotage.

If its gonna be strictly a groomer board, a full camber might be fun for days of just carving....

Try the Rome Anthem, Burton Custom X, or Salomon Burner. They are all pretty aggressive full camber boards, but would be real fun to snap around on groomers.

Hopefully you can demo a few decent boards!!
 

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Hmmm....I seem to recall that you like to ride the men's boards, and since I know practically nothing of women's boards, my suggestions shall be for men's. So, NS, check out the Heritage, maybe the Proto. Capita, scope the Totally F'ckin Awesome, or maybe the Black Snowboard of Death. Lib, I'd say maybe a TRS or Banana Magic, maybe a T.Rice. Gnu, try out one of they're crazy assym boards. I've heard they're fun. Ride, I'd say a Machette. Salomon, maybe the Man's Board (might be to stiff though), or the Salomonder. K2, the Happy Hour possibly. Nitro, the Team Gullwing. I don't know what else, that's all I got for you, and I'm sure someone will come through and tell me how wrong my suggestions are. Lol!
Wow, a lot of suggestions there. Limiting my comments to the boards I have ridden/personally know, all the Lib-Tech suggestions are not paticularly good: Banana Magic is not a groomer board; T. Rice does well on groomers but as a mid-wide not ideal for smaller feet. TRS is an ok groomer board (and does come in smaller sizes) but more of a playful board than a high speed charger.
Better choices from Lib would be the Hot Knife (comes in 150 and 153 next year) or, if she wants something stiffer, the Dark(er) Series (155 and up).
 

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neni, how did you find the raptor in comparison to your flagship? ie: did you like/notice the rocker in the middle vs the camber in the middle? I think thats the biggest decision to make when getting a groomer board....
 

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How bout the Nidecker Megalight or Platinum series. I've only read about them but they are supposed to be very fast and be good groomers
 

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I was surprised, how much softer it was on bumpy groomers
I don't know what bindings you are using, but the bindings also makes a huge difference in shock absorption/dampening. Might be something else to look at (and may skew your testing of different boards)...
 

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I don't know what bindings you are using, but the bindings also makes a huge difference in shock absorption/dampening. Might be something else to look at (and may skew your testing of different boards)...
Ride Fame (on both, the Flagship and Raptor).

neni, how did you find the raptor in comparison to your flagship? ie: did you like/notice the rocker in the middle vs the camber in the middle? I think thats the biggest decision to make when getting a groomer board....
Oh yes, there was a huge difference and it's pretty hard to decide, if I liked it or not :laugh:
Carving with the Flagship needs a lot of work: if I don't use all my force in the legs, I wash out and there's almost no pop. It's great on perfect conditions, but if there are bumps, you'll lift off if not riding very low and if it's hardpack, I don't manage to make decent carves anymore. There's no detectable camber in the middle, it's just flat, so I wouldn't count it as a valid camber vs. rocker comparison candidate.

On the Raptor, carving was very easy, as soon as I got used to the amount of acceleration IN the carve "wow... wait for me!". I had no sore muscles in the legs (like with the Flagship) but in the back from stabilyzing the upper body ;) Made the deepest carves ever and enjoyed this a lot! Pure fun! But while riding straight line, I didn't like the wiggly feeling of the rocker... made me feel insecure. To be fair, the Raptor with its 164 was far too long, might be a different story, if its a shorter one :dunno: never ridden a shorter rocker so far.

Comparing both Flagship and Raptor to my former traditional camber Custom X (about 145): I remember nasty catapult falls when the Custom X got its nose dug in while carving. I guess, the lifted nose of the Flagship/Raptor prevents this problem, cause it never was an issue with this boards. But then, it's long time ago I've been on the Custom X and maybe it might not be an issue today anymore.

All in all, I'm looking for a board with this "acceleration in the carve" quality like the Raptor
 

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Ride Fame (on both, the Flagship and Raptor).
Then you probably wont find something with significantly better dampening...

Another board manufacturer you could look at is Goodboards. They make some nice handcrafted camber boards. If you know LTB (nothing to do with LTD), Goodboards is basically the German-speaking LTB distribution guys having gone their own way and having started a new company. Not sure if there is a demo opportunity in your area.
 

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ahhh...billygoat would be a great groomer board:tongue4:

also check riders choice (mens or ladies) and b-pro

or if you want more of a camber feel for blasting groomers....something with c3 instead of c2 ...like a billygoat with c3

edit...never mind you want a cambered, for blasting groomers for stability, pop and acceleration out of the carve
 

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I have a raptor 164 obviously damp and carves very well. I also have a custom x 162 wide that I honestly think is incredibly over rated.
Earlier this season a local shop was closing down and I was fortunate enough to get a Capita Black Death 159 half price.

I live to carve groomers and have never had a board rail anywhere near as well as the BSOD. It lets me do things that I thought would only be possible on an alpine deck. It is however like most higher end boards one that if your not on your game you will dislike.

I have been on my raptor for 3 seasons now and much prefer the Capita.

My wife rips groomers like a champ....she's on a NS Lotus.......swears by it.
 

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ahhh...billygoat would be a great groomer board
Haha... you really seem to love your BG. Maybe I just should get the BG split and make it my hike AND groomer board :giggle:

if she wants something stiffer, the Dark(er) Series (155 and up).
*Gasp* I almost spit coffee over my mobile... :giggle:
Remember my dear young shop assistent telling me "oh no, girls can't ride a billy goat"? When I later looked greedily at the Darker Series, he looked me deep in the eyes with that gaze my dad had when I was touching his motor saw as a little girl and said "nonono... that's nothing for you", turned and told my husband "but it would be a cool board for YOU" ... this guy was lucky, there was no motor saw around ;)

I like you guys :D
 

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Lib Tech Hotknife (C3). Picked one up a few weeks ago. Overall camber profile, damp, carves like a dream and true twin shape. I'm loving it so far on the hard pack east coast.
 

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Umpf... how ironic... I finally managed to learn to ride fast enough to stick to the tails of the guys at blacks, now they start buying telemark skis and want to spend the non-pow days on blues and reds :blink: Good thing: I finally get the time to play around, ride switch, improve carving.

I love my Flagship 158 on blacks and pow, but it is not the right board for such slow groomer days. Riding a NS Raptor 164 for a day, I was surprised, how much softer it was on bumpy groomers and how easy to carve, even if it was far too big for me. So I'm thinking of getting a second option for those days, when there's no fresh snow and the pack changes to telemarks.

My prerequisites: pure groomer board, softer than the Flagship, but must be stable at higher speeds (50mph) and nice to carve as the Raptor. There'll be a test day with these brands


Would be great, if you could give me some hints, what boards I sould have a closer look at and why.

I'm 120lbs, app. 450 days boarding (http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boards/52658-girl-jones-flagship-good-idea-1.html)

If you like carving you should try the Arbor A-Frame. Rode it yesterday with 23-18 angles and I was leaving "C's " into ice. Very very good board.
 

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Another recommendation for Burton Custom X Full Camber

It is absolutely incredible on groomers, the gradient be damned. The edge holds like no other board that I've tried (and I demo'd a bunch while shopping for a new board).

The board absolutely flies. I'm going 40 mph and 100% in control, the board responsive and never chattering, even if I'm slicing over an ice patch.

One of the best purchases I've ever made.
 

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Well now, this is an interesting one. A girl, riding a board too gnarly for most dudes, and you're under weight by about 65 pounds for the size you're on. The fact you can even ride the deck is impressive. I can't help but beg you to drop everything else you're doing and focus on snowboarding cause there are only a handful of girls on the planet that could properly ride a Flagship weighing what you do. That takes strength and great fundamentals.

Anyway, I'm curious what size boot you wear. Being that this is going to be your carving groomer board your ability to get it up on edge is going to be key and something better optimized for a womes foot is going to make a big difference.

For starters these are the womens boards I'd point you towards: Ride Farrah, K2 Eco Lite, Salomon Idol, something from APO (ask them at the tent), Nitro Fate Flat, or Jones is making the Mothership which is the narrower slightly softer Flagship which would be that much easier to pick up on edge and put into a carve.

Though you may not get to demo one, based on what you ride now I would strongly suggest you look into Venture snowboards. One of the best brand I've had the fortune to meet and they do nothing but make stiff freeride decks. You pick waist widths so you wouldnt really be buying a "girls" board, but just a freeride board with a proper waist width for your size.
 

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I got a new board this year - the Rome Gold - it might be worth a demo. I'm finding it fantastic on groomers, it really carves well and is fast from edge to edge. It also picks up speed quickly, I can fly past everyone down blue corduroy runs and sometimes have to check (slow) my speed going down blacks. I weigh slightly less than you and have a 147, but you probably want to go larger based on the other boards you've tried :) You might find it slightly squirrely when the board is flat (I hardly notice it now), but on edge it's great. I haven't tried a huge selection of boards so I don't have the experience of some other people on here ... but if you are wanting a suggestion that is actually a women's board it might be worth a try!
 
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