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[HELP] Lasting boot issue

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Hi all,

Firstly, I've read through all of @Wiredsport's post regarding measurement and I measure up to:
263 Mondo (8.5 US Men) and I've gone ahead and measure my width too.

Left Foot: 10CM
Right Foot: 10.3CM

I currently ride a 8.5 Burton Photon and the length of it is great, no toe issue and heel hold is pretty decent however after 0.5 - an hour of riding, there's pain in the area highlighted below. After a 3 hour session, I can barely walk in the boot getting back to my car/hotel as that specific part is just pain, and its more of a bruised pain.

I already have the boot heat molded and also have custom insoles for my extremely flat feet, most of my running shoe exhibit wear and tear that shows that I usually over pronate due to my flat feet, hence the area that is highlighted above usually "pushes out" against my boot/shoe.

I've been to the local stores and when they measure they claim that I don't really have a wide feet and don't need a wide boot yet going of the chart itself seems like I'm bordering on E? I'm pretty much out of ideas and was wondering if getting a wider boot might solve the issue or make it less painful.

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I have a similar foot shape to you, wide flat feet (size 8 width E), and Burton boots don't work well for me. I had good luck with Adidas Acerra but Adidas no longer make boots.

See if you can find the 32 TM-2 Wide or Solomon Dialogue or Solomon Synapse Wide or K2 Maysis Wide to try on in store. Those are good wide snowboard boot options.
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I have a similar foot shape to you, wide flat feet (size 8 width E), and Burton boots don't work well for me. I had good luck with Adidas Acerra but Adidas no longer make boots.

See if you can find the 32 TM-2 Wide or Solomon Dialogue or Solomon Synapse Wide or K2 Maysis Wide to try on in store. Those are good wide snowboard boot options.
Thanks for the suggestion! Most of them are only available online and not in local stores, though one of the salesperson at the store suggested a DC Control as apparently DC usually fits wider, any thoughts?
I’ve had similar issues with my front foot little toe when I had burton boots.
I usually put on a silicon gel toe cap over the little toe to reduce pressure and pain. For $12 on Amazon it’s worth a shot. My pain may be different than yours but it’s worth a try before buying new boots.
Either punch out or shave a bit off the outside of the liner or cut/make a X cut at the the point (from outside the liner to the inside)
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Thanks for the suggestion! Most of them are only available online and not in local stores, though one of the salesperson at the store suggested a DC Control as apparently DC usually fits wider, any thoughts?
I rode both the Burton Photon and DC Control, and the DC Control was much more comfy for my foot shape. Toebox is roomer on the DC Control compared to the Photon.
I rode both the Burton Photon and DC Control, and the DC Control was much more comfy for my foot shape. Toebox is roomer on the DC Control compared to the Photon.
Cheers, I might consider that then. Its just weird its that one hotspot on both feet, just screams a little "wider" will help, but you don't really feel it till after riding for ~30 minutes and hence you can't really test it in store either.
Imo, you don't need new boots, Angry Snowboarder has some YT videos on boot fitting and mods. Ime, very little mods go a long way.
Hi all,

Firstly, I've read through all of @Wiredsport's post regarding measurement and I measure up to:
263 Mondo (8.5 US Men) and I've gone ahead and measure my width too.

Left Foot: 10CM
Right Foot: 10.3CM

I currently ride a 8.5 Burton Photon and the length of it is great, no toe issue and heel hold is pretty decent however after 0.5 - an hour of riding, there's pain in the area highlighted below. After a 3 hour session, I can barely walk in the boot getting back to my car/hotel as that specific part is just pain, and its more of a bruised pain.

I already have the boot heat molded and also have custom insoles for my extremely flat feet, most of my running shoe exhibit wear and tear that shows that I usually over pronate due to my flat feet, hence the area that is highlighted above usually "pushes out" against my boot/shoe.

I've been to the local stores and when they measure they claim that I don't really have a wide feet and don't need a wide boot yet going of the chart itself seems like I'm bordering on E? I'm pretty much out of ideas and was wondering if getting a wider boot might solve the issue or make it less painful.

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See the bolded in your quote. A couple of things come to mind.
1. Your fit is almost there if you can do 30 minutes before pain develops...I'd first try the remedies that I noted above.
2. I don't think you need wider boots.
3. Perhaps the pain/hotspots are due to your over-pronation...and thus new boots are just a waste of $ because boots won't fix the pronation issue.
4. So first try the remedies noted.
Cheers, I might consider that then. Its just weird its that one hotspot on both feet, just screams a little "wider" will help, but you don't really feel it till after riding for ~30 minutes and hence you can't really test it in store either.
I actually ran into a very similar issue with lateral pinky toe pain (I have a small bunion on my lateral feet too) worse on my front foot with pain only starting after riding with Burton boots in particular. It can get intense enough that I need to stop mid-run and rest, and always needed to take breaks in between runs for my feet to recover.

I think it's from the pressure that builds up during the turns while wearing not well-fitting boots. Opening up the binding angles supposedly helps with this pain as well. I'm riding +12/-12 now, but biggest thing is the right fitting boot. When I first started, I thought it was just normal to have that kind of pain, and rode with the pain for quite a long while, but once I found properly fitting boots, I don't have that pain at all!

I tried bunion silicone toe caps and modifying boot liners as well in the past, but those are just temporarily band-aid fixes. My lateral pinky toe joint even got red and swollen for quite a while after riding with those boots, so I definitely don't ride in uncomfortable or poorly-fitting boots at all anymore. After experiencing comfy well-fitting boots, I don't bother trying to mod boots that don't work, I just get different boots.

Right fitting boots makes such a huge impact on riding!!! I'm actually day 12 in a row of full days snowboarding, and 60+ day season so far, and my feet feel perfectly fine. Really only sore muscles and a few bumps/bruises from falls that are bothering me. Back when I was riding boots that didn't fit well, I was already suffering a ton after a few days due to foot pain, and often ended the day early because my foot couldn't take anymore.

Really wish you good luck finding a good fitting boots!! It makes such a big difference - can improve so much more quickly when your feet are comfy while riding!

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Imo, you don't need new boots, Angry Snowboarder has some YT videos on boot fitting and mods. Ime, very little mods go a long way.

See the bolded in your quote. A couple of things come to mind.
1. Your fit is almost there if you can do 30 minutes before pain develops...I'd first try the remedies that I noted above.
2. I don't think you need wider boots.
3. Perhaps the pain/hotspots are due to your over-pronation...and thus new boots are just a waste of $ because boots won't fix the pronation issue.
4. So first try the remedies noted.
I respectfully disagree with the poster above. I suffered from the same hotspot issues in the past, and it is a boot shape/fit issue. I have flat feet as well that probably 'overpronate' as well, but that is just the way my feet are. Cutting the liner helps relieve the hotspot, but a different model boot that fits better overall helps a hell of a lot more. I have found different snowboard boot models that are perfectly comfortably without any modifications for all day riding many days in the row.

Just because a boot is comfortable in store while not riding, does not mean it is the right fit!! There are some very subtle differences in boot fit that can cause an issue while actually riding where pressure is pushing at different areas of your foot. If there are pressure-points / hotspots while riding, the boot shape is definitely not right for your foot, and trying to hack it to work will cause more trouble than it's worth. Cutting the liner can definitely improve the comfort, but may not fully the solve the issue. If it fixes the issue, that is great, but I would still recommend swapping boot models. I actually ended up with foot pain that lingered quite a while after my snowboarding trips because I was being cheap and trying to salvage boots with different hacks that are not the right fit. After that experience, I just threw away those boots because boots that cause pain and long-term issues will be more expensive than just buying a new pair of boots.

I originally had that mentality that if a boots feels comfortable before I start riding and the pain doesn't really start until after I've ridden a bit, then maybe it seems like the boots are almost there and should still be workable... but once I started hitting 50+ days per season, I found that it was definitely not the right approach as the more I rode, that area would just gradually get more and more irritated and inflamed. So now, my standard for boots is comfortable for all day riding 9am-4pm, and I have found a few different boot models that can do that for me and I personally won't settle for anything less anymore.

Of course, everyone's experience may vary, but that is my perspective.
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Thank you all for your feedback, definitely going to look into every suggestion and go from there.
I actually ran into a very similar issue with lateral pinky toe pain (I have a small bunion on my lateral feet too) worse on my front foot with pain only starting after riding with Burton boots in particular. It can get intense enough that I need to stop mid-run and rest, and always needed to take breaks in between runs for my feet to recover.

I think it's from the pressure that builds up during the turns while wearing not well-fitting boots. Opening up the binding angles supposedly helps with this pain as well. I'm riding +12/-12 now, but biggest thing is the right fitting boot. When I first started, I thought it was just normal to have that kind of pain, and rode with the pain for quite a long while, but once I found properly fitting boots, I don't have that pain at all!

I tried bunion silicone toe caps and modifying boot liners as well in the past, but those are just temporarily band-aid fixes. My lateral pinky toe joint even got red and swollen for quite a while after riding with those boots, so I definitely don't ride in uncomfortable or poorly-fitting boots at all anymore. After experiencing comfy well-fitting boots, I don't bother trying to mod boots that don't work, I just get different boots.

Right fitting boots makes such a huge impact on riding!!! I'm actually day 12 in a row of full days snowboarding, and 60+ day season so far, and my feet feel perfectly fine. Really only sore muscles and a few bumps/bruises from falls that are bothering me. Back when I was riding boots that didn't fit well, I was already suffering a ton after a few days due to foot pain, and often ended the day early because my foot couldn't take anymore.

Really wish you good luck finding a good fitting boots!! It makes such a big difference - can improve so much more quickly when your feet are comfy while riding!

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I respectfully disagree with the poster above. I suffered from the same hotspot issues in the past, and it is a boot shape/fit issue. I have flat feet as well that probably 'overpronate' as well, but that is just the way my feet are. Cutting the liner helps relieve the hotspot, but a different model boot that fits better overall helps a hell of a lot more. I have found different snowboard boot models that are perfectly comfortably without any modifications for all day riding many days in the row.

Just because a boot is comfortable in store while not riding, does not mean it is the right fit!! There are some very subtle differences in boot fit that can cause an issue while actually riding where pressure is pushing at different areas of your foot. If there are pressure-points / hotspots while riding, the boot shape is definitely not right for your foot, and trying to hack it to work will cause more trouble than it's worth. Cutting the liner can definitely improve the comfort, but may not fully the solve the issue. If it fixes the issue, that is great, but I would still recommend swapping boot models. I actually ended up with foot pain that lingered quite a while after my snowboarding trips because I was being cheap and trying to salvage boots with different hacks that are not the right fit. After that experience, I just threw away those boots because boots that cause pain and long-term issues will be more expensive than just buying a new pair of boots.

Of course, everyone's experience may vary, but that is my perspective.
I agree and don't dispute. Ime, it's like winning the lotto finding boots that don't need mods to get a performance slipper fit. Also great idea to open up the stance.
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I agree and don't dispute. Ime, it's like winning the lotto finding boots that don't need mods to get a performance slipper fit. Also great idea to open up the stance.
You're definitely right that it is really really hard to find a well-fitting pair of boots!!! I read/researched a ton about snowboard boots & tried on a ton of boots in store, and even then still ran into comfort/fit issues with hotspots. The issue with some hotspots is that you don't feel some of them until after you start riding, and then it is too late to return the boots. It gets expensive swapping out boots like that, so I definitely tried to make things work as much as possible. Cutting/thinning out the liner at the hotspot does help relieve the pressure there, but I would strongly recommend branching out with different boots when affordable (as if you have discomfort while riding, it can cause lingering issues after a while)
You're definitely right that it is really really hard to find a well-fitting pair of boots!!! I read/researched a ton about snowboard boots & tried on a ton of boots in store, and even then still ran into comfort/fit issues with hotspots. The issue with some hotspots is that you don't feel some of them until after you start riding, and then it is too late to return the boots. It gets expensive swapping out boots like that, so I definitely tried to make things work as much as possible. Cutting/thinning out the liner at the hotspot does help relieve the pressure there, but I would strongly recommend branching out with different boots when affordable (as if you have discomfort while riding, it can cause lingering issues after a while)
I'm basically at the point where I've tried most options (mold, punch, angles), my photons 8.5 has been punched out by a professional too and it still hurts. Do you ride a wide now to accommodate for the flat feet issue? Or just different brands? I currently have K2 Maysis wide available to me online and DC Control (which i tried in store and it felt much comfier but won't know till I'm actually riding in it). All the salomons wides are sold out
Hey OP, it looks like you have the beginnings of bunions on your feet, and its probably because of your arches. I have a very similar foot shape to yours, and I have those nubs on the side of my feet. It took me until I was 28 to figure out that I had high arches (which is a cause of bunions), and no shoes were giving me adequate support. Basically what happens is when your foot has no arch support (and you have high arches) your foot is always slightly tilted outwards because the side of your foot picks up the slack for your arches. So your foot is always push the outside of your shoe, and as a result these weird callouses form and eventually get painful. I'm not saying that this is exactly what's happening to you, but it's some food for thought. Wet your foot and step on the floor, then compare your footprint to a chart on foot shape. This literally changed my life when I got the correct insoles. I no longer need my shoes to be wider because my foot naturally sits narrower and doesn't push on the outside of the shoe. My Salomon Dialogues went from almost painful after long days to straight up comfortable when I put insoles in them. I can recommend some good brands if you need, seriously consider your foot shape and how it might impact boot fit because of improper support.
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Hey OP, it looks like you have the beginnings of bunions on your feet, and its probably because of your arches. I have a very similar foot shape to yours, and I have those nubs on the side of my feet. It took me until I was 28 to figure out that I had high arches (which is a cause of bunions), and no shoes were giving me adequate support. Basically what happens is when your foot has no arch support (and you have high arches) your foot is always slightly tilted outwards because the side of your foot picks up the slack for your arches. So your foot is always push the outside of your shoe, and as a result these weird callouses form and eventually get painful. I'm not saying that this is exactly what's happening to you, but it's some food for thought. Wet your foot and step on the floor, then compare your footprint to a chart on foot shape. This literally changed my life when I got the correct insoles. I no longer need my shoes to be wider because my foot naturally sits narrower and doesn't push on the outside of the shoe. My Salomon Dialogues went from almost painful after long days to straight up comfortable when I put insoles in them. I can recommend some good brands if you need, seriously consider your foot shape and how it might impact boot fit because of improper support.
Hey, I've already gotten custom insoles (sidas) done and it didn't really alleviate the problem.
Well damn man, best of luck to you. Your foot is really just sol huh
One suggestion is to add some material like stick on foam between the shell and the liner along the lateral side of the boot, but stopping short of your pinky joint. This should function to shift your foot slightly more medially, allowing more room around that pinky joint.
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I'm basically at the point where I've tried most options (mold, punch, angles), my photons 8.5 has been punched out by a professional too and it still hurts. Do you ride a wide now to accommodate for the flat feet issue? Or just different brands? I currently have K2 Maysis wide available to me online and DC Control (which i tried in store and it felt much comfier but won't know till I'm actually riding in it). All the salomons wides are sold out
I ride different brands now and avoid Burton boots. I don't think Burton boots work well for flat wide feet. DC Control was more comfy than Photons for me, but I found the Adidas Acerra worked the best for my foot shape. Sadly, Adidas discontinued their snowboard boots so I will also be trying new boots again as well. For me, I found with width E, I can still do regular width boots for certain brands if they have roomier toe boxes. It is really individualized so hard to predict what works well until riding then on the slopes.
Hey, I've already gotten custom insoles (sidas) done and it didn't really alleviate the problem.
Not all insoles are created equal. I had issues with arch, top foot pain. Finally tried a set of Ed Vissures "sole" the blue beefy kind. And it took a while for my foot to adjust to the support. If you go that route, just put them in your regular shoes and ware them around all the time for speed in the adjustment. Then just throw them in yer boots or get a second pair. For moi, definitely a converted believer.
Another flat and wide foot person here chiming in that Burtons don’t work for me. Tried the wide sizing, but it was still too painful. Too bad really, because I think their boots are well designed.

The best thing to do is really go and try a bunch of boots on. If that’s not possible (as it was during the height of Covid when I was shopping for new boots), order a whole bunch online from places with easy/cheap return policies, wear them around the house for a while, then send back what doesn’t work.

I went through a bunch of boots this way, and eventually ended up with a pair I was happy with at a local shop (Rome Libertine). Everyone’s feet are different, but if you do end up trying out Rome boots, go by the Mondo sizing and ignore the other sizes (they’re nonsense).

good luck! I’m confident you’re right boot is out there somewhere.
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