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I'm looking for a board for pointing. Not for the park, not for pow days, not for messing around in the trees, not for heavy moguls. for all conditions of steep groomers. I ride Crested Butte a lot and race around with fast ski guys. We do a lot of pointing international from top to bottom.

I want it to have a lot of feel and good pop. really needs good bite but forgiving enough for choppy snow at speed.

Basically what I'm looking for is something that is good on black groomers... really the key is something that can handle ice, slush, and skied out groomers at high speeds. I don't want to get an alpine board but something that's almost going in that direction. I may do some back country and pow with it but the key is something that's fast and responsive at high speed.

I have other boards but I want something for going down groomers 90%+ of the time. (current's a burton custom 64 which I'll be using for pow)

Is the Arbor Cona in a 160 - 162 something that would work for this?

(I'm 6', 210lbs, advanced rider)

I want a board for bombing Groomers. I want something that is FAST. I want something that is fast in slush, ice, and fresh groomed runs.

Thanks for any help and advice
 

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Thanks for the advice. I really like the new arbor coda's... is that something that would work or is a Kessler type board going to be so much better that I should definitely go in that direction? I've never ridden anything like the kessler or alpine boards. It is it night and day compared to all mountain boards?
 

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Burton custom X
I have a custom that I've been riding. I may check out the custom X, they are more what I need instead of the custom (pow and speed)

I want something different...

I want it to have enough flex that I can just sail over choppy groomers and carve with... I'm not going to be hiking with this or chasing pow... just racing around with my ski buddies. I really am leaning toward a more alpine style for speed, but I tried out a arbor and really loved the feel of it. The thing is I'm only buying one new board and if the alpine style is much faster and responsive and something I should be talked into I may go that direction with it. Next summer I may look into a custom X
 

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You started out with a really precise purpose (groomers, only groomers!) But then started adding conflicting requirements (well, okay. Groomers, but also chop. And slush. Maybe some pow too.)

Every feature that makes a board stronger in soft snow and chunder will make it weaker on firm groomers, so you kind of have to pick a direction and stick with it.
 

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I understand, let me clarify. Groomers... all year full day. I've been on boards that are great for freshly groomed runs and ice but on warm days in the afternoon are not great when the snow is soft and 5000 people have trashed the snow. I have a board I ride in fresh pow and a board for the park... I need something for when a buddy goes lets run international top to bottom for a beer... and i get near the bottom and end up squirly or slow in sloppy snow. :dunno:

I'm not that hardcore so I have a hard time going BX or alpine all the way.

I dont hang out in the park. and this is for days when there is no pow and I dont feel like going backcountry or take the T bar. idk if that's any better lol :icon_scratch:
 

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Jones Flagship or Carbon Flagship or maybe Prior MFR possibly. Camber board with rocker on the contact points.
 

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Every feature that makes a board stronger in soft snow and chunder will make it weaker on firm groomers, so you kind of have to pick a direction and stick with it.
I see what your saying... and I really dont know which direction to go in... thats why I'm looking for help... should I go in the alpine direction or go with something thats long with more pop than my custom? I've been riding my whole life and am just now in a position to actually spend some $$ and buy myself a new board rather than just wearing out all mountain boards
 

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Sounds to me like you want a burly all-mountain deck, maybe a stiff hybrid camber board with some grip tech in the edges.

I like the t.rice sized up a bit for the kind of riding you're describing (I usually ride ~153, my trice is 157,) but there are plenty of snowboards out there that fit that description and usage profile.
 

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I had the Jamie Lynn phoenix c3 last season and that thing was FAST. Super stable camber dominant design with a little rocker in the tip and tail to help you with that chunder. This thing seriously rides like you're on rails, it just wants to charge.
 

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I had the Jamie Lynn phoenix c3 last season and that thing was FAST. Super stable camber dominant design with a little rocker in the tip and tail to help you with that chunder. This thing seriously rides like you're on rails, it just wants to charge.
Shhh, don't mention Lib Tech. You'll upset the locals. Damn n00b :laugh:
 

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Kessler, virus, oxess, pretty much anything bx or bx inspired
Exactly. Kessler The Ride, Virus Avalanche FLP AFT, Oxess Freeride (with the BX nose design)....

Thanks for the advice. I really like the new arbor coda's... is that something that would work or is a Kessler type board going to be so much better that I should definitely go in that direction? I've never ridden anything like the kessler or alpine boards. It is it night and day compared to all mountain boards?
The boards mentioned above are in a totally different league than anything with a traditional shape.

A long sidecut radius means that you have to get the board up on edge more to carve the same radius turn. For freestyle this would make the board feel dead, but for carving this means you'll have a better edge angle to the snow, and much better grip.

Also the effective edge is much longer. Here's a photo with a Virus Avalanche FLP on the left, and the FLP AFT model in the middle. Notice how much further towards the tip the contact point is pushed?



I've been on the stiff brother to the Custom X, the T7 (which would arguably have been the stiffest traditional board out there), and the Avalanche FLP AFT is worlds better at carving through crud.

The only board I know of that's "mass produced" with this style is the Volkl Coal Race (BX) board. They're about $650. The others are all well over $1000 but can be had for less depending on what the builder says.

Strap some stiff bindings on, point and shoot! :yahoo:
 

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I'm not that hardcore so I have a hard time going BX or alpine all the way.
I still have a blast on my BX shaped board. I've rode with forum members so they could tell you what types of runs I hit with it. I ride everything. Groomers, moguls, off-piste, glades, little cliff drops. Nothing says you can't use one for everything! :yahoo:
 

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poutanen, you running a Peruvian cocaine drug smuggling operation to be able to afford those boards? Damn, thats nice lumber!
 

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poutanen, you running a Peruvian cocaine drug smuggling operation to be able to afford those boards? Damn, thats nice lumber!
Columbian! Only the finest! Naw those were the "other" boards from my group buy last year. None of those were mine! Trust me I would have loved to try out the FLP. I figure it'd be like the T7 but a little lighter and a little more "poppy"...

As for the boards I usually ride, I sacrifice other things in my life to pay for them. Clean underwear is a luxury I can do without.
 

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The only board I know of that's "mass produced" with this style is the Volkl Coal Race (BX) board. They're about $650. The others are all well over $1000 but can be had for less depending on what the builder says.

Strap some stiff bindings on, point and shoot! :yahoo:
Poutanen, thanks so much for the good information. I really like Volkl, and see exactly what your saying about the board shape. What about something like the Arbor A frame? $650 is pushing it for this guy... I like the clean undies :D
 

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Shhh, don't mention Lib Tech. You'll upset the locals. Damn n00b :laugh:
Haha I know I've noticed that popular opinion is against brands like Mervin and C3. I just don't get it! It's not like I've been indoctrinated by the church of the PNW, I've got personal experience with both companies products and have been nothing but stoked.

I'm just here to say that I am a REAL rider not a forum jockey and the Phoenix C3 killed it.
 
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