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Been thinking I made a mistake, or idk...

I do have a season pass to Hunter. Since I have a pass I can't just go to another mountain because pass is paid why pay for a day lift ticket elsewhere.

So I have to arrange my schedule to whatever bus service is available for Hunter and also pay something ranging from $40 to $50. This is ok if you go once a month but I go frequently 6-7 times a month, on the weekends mostly, this puts me around $500 a month on bus fare. Considering there are special days holidays etc. I'll then end up going more which then pay-more-on-bus-fare.

Aside from the financials, teenagers on the bus can get really annoying, talking loudly at 5 in the morning and they just don't shut up all the way to the mountain (god I don't know why kids are so happy). They also play movies which is really cool but they crank the volume, c'mon nobody wants to watch a movie at 5 in the morning you just want to close your eyes, and worst of all some buses' seats are so lil you can barely get in....

I don't really want to buy a car but next year I am so not buying a pass at Hunter, definitely thinking Killington(2 mountain deal) or Stowe (3 mountain deal), and now thinking how to do this without getting a car...

How do you guys do it?
 

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i'd say, get a car. or surely you have friends who also drive? i have a group of friends and we kind of rotate the driving duties so no one ends up having to take their cars too much. we also usually make it so that the driver doesn't have to pay for gas/tolls, since they'll have to deal with cleaning and maintaining the car after. overall, we have a pretty good system going with that.

i know for sure that killington and stratton have bus services. not sure about stowe. btw, what's the 3-mountain deal with stowe?
 

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i live in manhattan and i used to drive up, but after doing the math, i'm actually doing the opposite now: i leave my car and take the bus to the mountain.

it's cheaper for me if you calcuate the fuel cost, tolls, and the tiredness of doing a day trip (driving up, whole day at mountain, driving down). so starting this year i've been doing bus trips. OVRride is the place i go through-- good packages and options (bus only, bus+lift ticket, lessons, etc.).

buying a car involves other things i won't get into and costs that people don't think about: maintenance, insurance, parking, tickets, fuel, etc.

i even considered zipcar (i have a zipcar membership) but even with their "free" fuel, it's still cheaper to take a bus if going solo or with a partner. if you have a group of like 4-5-6 people, then maybe a car might make more ecomical sense if splitting fuel and toll costs...

that's my thought.

(P.S. how's hunter? haven't been there in years, but considering going up this weekend to test my new boards since it's so close (2.5hrs on bus)...)
 

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i'd say, get a car. or surely you have friends who also drive? i have a group of friends and we kind of rotate the driving duties so no one ends up having to take their cars too much. we also usually make it so that the driver doesn't have to pay for gas/tolls, since they'll have to deal with cleaning and maintaining the car after. overall, we have a pretty good system going with that.

i know for sure that killington and stratton have bus services. not sure about stowe. btw, what's the 3-mountain deal with stowe?
some mountains in VT allow you to use multiple mountains with their season pass, like with killington pass you can go to pico mountain too with stowe i think you can go to okemo too and some other, check their websites, these passes run around $1800 or more thou

i live in manhattan and i used to drive up, but after doing the math, i'm actually doing the opposite now: i leave my car and take the bus to the mountain.

it's cheaper for me if you calcuate the fuel cost, tolls, and the tiredness of doing a day trip (driving up, whole day at mountain, driving down). so starting this year i've been doing bus trips. OVRride is the place i go through-- good packages and options (bus only, bus+lift ticket, lessons, etc.).

buying a car involves other things i won't get into and costs that people don't think about: maintenance, insurance, parking, tickets, fuel, etc.

i even considered zipcar (i have a zipcar membership) but even with their "free" fuel, it's still cheaper to take a bus if going solo or with a partner. if you have a group of like 4-5-6 people, then maybe a car might make more ecomical sense if splitting fuel and toll costs...

that's my thought.

(P.S. how's hunter? haven't been there in years, but considering going up this weekend to test my new boards since it's so close (2.5hrs on bus)...)
remember I am getting a season pass so no lift ticket bus packages. Think about it if you do 10 trips a season, that's 85 x 10 = 850 (which is equals to the hunter season pass). and I do well above 10 trips.

right well my problem is basically, parking! and where I live people also scratch cars etc. I have had two cars and everytime I said this is the last time in this city, so thinking what to decide.

maintenance, insurance, fuel these all on my mind but how often you go? once or twice a month or quite frequently, because $50 to the mountains close to NYC but $65 to Vermont (bus only) if you go say 5-6 times a month, on the weekends, it will be something around $400-$500 on bus fare

and zipcar is a no-no, they are very expensive, free-fuel is stupid since you can do 180 miles a day so where is the benefit in that, it's only good if you need to drive somewhere for 2 hours and then come back, a 4 hour ride
I always find cheap car rentals on kayak
 

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some mountains in VT allow you to use multiple mountains with their season pass, like with killington pass you can go to pico mountain too with stowe i think you can go to okemo too and some other, check their websites, these passes run around $1800 or more thou



remember I am getting a season pass so no lift ticket bus packages. Think about it if you do 10 trips a season, that's 85 x 10 = 850 (which is equals to the hunter season pass). and I do well above 10 trips.

right well my problem is basically, parking! and where I live people also scratch cars etc. I have had two cars and everytime I said this is the last time in this city, so thinking what to decide.

maintenance, insurance, fuel these all on my mind but how often you go? once or twice a month or quite frequently, because $50 to the mountains close to NYC but $65 to Vermont (bus only) if you go say 5-6 times a month, on the weekends, it will be something around $400-$500 on bus fare

and zipcar is a no-no, they are very expensive, free-fuel is stupid since you can do 180 a day so where is the benefit in that, it's only good if you need to drive somewhere for 2 hours and come back, a 4 hours ride
I always find cheap car rentals on kayak
most transportation have bus-only options, so there's that if you're going for a season pass. also, you can do a bus + ticket package, then scalp your ticket to someone else to lower your costs. :giggle:

i live in brooklyn and i have my own garage so owning a car isn't as big of an issue for me; if you're in manhattan i can totally, absolutely understand.
 

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Wow $500 or more a month for bus rides seems expensive
You can buy a roundtrip plane tix out west for around $300 from NYC/Newark

If you go with 2 or more friends it seems cheaper to rent a car...

We have been able to rent SUVs for 30 per day including taxes non-holiday weekends with unlimited miles, that plus discounted lift tix. Divide that by 2 people of more... Better if some of you own a car...

We wanted to do the buses but they were too expensive for 2+ people plus we have to wake up at 2 or 3 AM to catch the bus at 3 or 4 or whatever.

Maybe the buses are a cheaper option when going by yourself or if you do not like driving for several hours
 

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Maybe the buses are a cheaper option when going by yourself or if you do not like driving for several hours
^ Exactly. For solo or with one other person, buses are the way to go. If more than that then renting a car or carpooling makes sense.

If you go that often, I'm not sure if you have a core group of friends that go as often as you do. If not, and you're usually going solo, the bus-only (no lift ticket bundle) option will make sense to you. That's my situation:

Example:
Mount Snow:
Distance from NYC Midtown: 215 miles each way = 430 miles total
Current Gas Price: $4.00/gal (regular; more for high octane)
Car's Fuel Economy: 25 miles/gallon (being generous here, my car actual is ~21 hwy)
Gas Cost: $68.80

Tolls: ~$15? (GW Bridge is $13 or ~$11 with EZ-Pass) + Route 87 is toll road.

Wear and Tear on Car: @34 cents / mile (a "rule of thumb" # used to include insurance and maintenance) = $146.20

--- Total Estimated Cost of Transportation via Private Car = $230

@ 1 Person: $230
@ 2 person: $115 each
@ 3 person: $77 each

versus bus price (bus only, no lift ticket): $70 (source: MT Snow Sunday Day Trip Mar. 10th | | OvRride.com )

For solo, bus is much cheaper (get the bus-only price if you have season pass).
For 2, bus is cheaper
For 3, bus is marginally cheaper
For 4, car will be cheaper

Sorry, I work in finance, calcs like this is second nature to me; sorry if it's too much numbers for you haha...

Point is, driving up yourself is cheaper the more people you have.

But then, a car has limits to how much people + gear you can take (bigger SUVs like Suburbans can carry more people & gear, but also have less gas mileage, so you need to adjust accordingly).


Personally, I don't have friends that go every freakin' weekend. Maybe a few times a season. Otherwise it's solor or with one other friend who's as hardcore as me. And that's back in my peak when I used to go every weekend...
 

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your analysis makes sense from an economic POV, though the numbers are slightly on the high-end IMO. if i drive my corolla with 3 people to mt. snow, the gas/toll costs end up be no more than $40 a person.

also, you have to consider that if you drive your own car, you have complete control over when you arrive and when you leave. for some, there is a lot of value in that.

lastly, buses arrive late and leave (relatively) early, so let's say you're losing about an hour of riding time. paying a premium to get around this also has value. question is, how much are these worth in dollar terms? everyone has a different threshold.
 

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Best advice is find some friends and carpool. Be open minded and have fun. You might be surprised who would be interested around you
 

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your analysis makes sense from an economic POV
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paying a premium to get around this also has value. question is, how much are these worth in dollar terms? everyone has a different threshold.
Yes, agree 100%
There are non-economic factors as well; different value to different people.

My personal example, I hate driving long distances and I get very tired at night and I have a vision problem where my eyes get lazy and I see double when very tired driving at night. So, I'd rather just crash on a bus and wake up at my destination. :) So that has a lot of non-monetary value for me, to not drive. Which is why when a bunch of friends go up, I never drive or bring my car; I just chill and sleep in the back seat and pay for gas/tolls and be done with it... LOL. :))

Plus I don't keep my car in the city ($600/mo parking, no thank you!) and it's at my sister's house in Queens, so it's a whole song and dance to go get my car, which I drive maybe 2-3 times a month these days, if that. (FYI I'm a car guy - used to have 8 cars at one point in time when I lived in a house on Long Island, I can't get myself to be 100% car-free yet, lol, cos I need a car to race/track in during the summers, my non-winter hobby).
 

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Yes, agree 100%
There are non-economic factors as well; different value to different people.

My personal example, I hate driving long distances and I get very tired at night and I have a vision problem where my eyes get lazy and I see double when very tired driving at night. So, I'd rather just crash on a bus and wake up at my destination. :) So that has a lot of non-monetary value for me, to not drive. Which is why when a bunch of friends go up, I never drive or bring my car; I just chill and sleep in the back seat and pay for gas/tolls and be done with it... LOL. :))

Plus I don't keep my car in the city ($600/mo parking, no thank you!) and it's at my sister's house in Queens, so it's a whole song and dance to go get my car, which I drive maybe 2-3 times a month these days, if that. (FYI I'm a car guy - used to have 8 cars at one point in time when I lived in a house on Long Island, I can't get myself to be 100% car-free yet, lol, cos I need a car to race/track in during the summers, my non-winter hobby).
pretty much. it depends a lot on how you value you these non-monetary things on a personal level. that's why within my group, the driver never covers the gas/tolls, or at least only a small portion of it; some of us find value in paying extra for not driving, while others find value in driving and not having to pay for gas/tolls. it kind of works out that we all drive at least once a season, and the penny pinchers drive multiple times. the system works! :yahoo:
 

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Best advice is find some friends and carpool. Be open minded and have fun. You might be surprised who would be interested around you
qft. I get not having a car in the city, but if snowboarding is your thing, get one. Fuck buses.
 

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this is going to be a long post beware :)
I am a 9-5er and a weekend rider, I have been riding on different mountains almost every Saturday and Sunday since the late January (aka hardcore :)) and no, none of my friends have car, people at the office not even interested in boarding (they don't drive anywho, so I am solo, wife comes every now and then)

ok first and foremost let me say that I am not trying to convince myself to get a car, I will if and only if it really makes sense this time, owned 2 before, every time I was like fuck this (parking etc.)... oh and I live in Queens

So since getting a car is the thing here fuck new york mountains (windham, hunter, creek, camelback etc). We're talking about VT. And that is around 5 hours of driving distance no matter how you slice it, I am thinking Killington but...

Bus services namely emilio's or OvrRide don't necesserily ride to Killington, (or stowe or stratton or Okemo) every Saturdays or Sundays. So before I get a season pass from a mountain, I will have to see which bus service goes to that mountain on every Saturday and Sunday. Ok let's be realistic, there's no way in hell and I can't even take to go absolutely every weekend, I will get tired, would want to sleep late etc. but most of times I will, hey what else have I gotta do on winter weekends...

so let's see, a bus only ride is $70 on ovrride, prolly running around $65 on emilio's doing this a month will cost me
$70 x 8 = $560
$65 x 8 = $520
considering If I have a holiday and go one more day it will be more or maybe I will get sick or just don't want to go this will be less...

On the other hand having a car...
Aside from paying for the car and insurance tolls will around $25 (roughly), like herjazz mentioned GW bridge will other small tolls will be that much I think. plus gas now surely, depending on what I get, this will be I think roughly for a day will run around 50 (could be less not sure, again depends on the car) but then there's another problem maintenance, driving 250 miles (killington) and coming back that's 500 miles a day twice a week that's 1000 miles a week, monthly It will be around 4000 miles WOW! I will kill the car in 4.5-5 months season long.... :dunno: by the end of the season I will put around 20000 miles on the car jeee, did i do this wrong altogether????

like snowklinger fuck buses, but I am not just saying that, well for the reason that they get there at almost 9:30-10 by the time you get dressed and all, 1.5 hours lost there, then instead of 4:30, emilio's (they started to piss me off btw) they say be back by 4-4:15, wtf if you do a last run you'd get back by 4:15 then getting dressed that's 4:30, and you have to rush yourself...

Seeing this I guess none of these makes sense taking a bus or getting car OMG
so wtf go twice a month that's 8 times for the whole season considering a 5 month season :dunno:

Sorry, I work in finance, calcs like this is second nature to me; sorry if it's too much numbers for you haha...
qft. I get not having a car in the city, but if snowboarding is your thing, get one. Fuck buses.
your analysis makes sense from an economic POV, though the numbers are slightly on the high-end IMO. if i drive my corolla with 3 people to mt. snow, the gas/toll costs end up be no more than $40 a person.

also, you have to consider that if you drive your own car, you have complete control over when you arrive and when you leave. for some, there is a lot of value in that.

lastly, buses arrive late and leave (relatively) early, so let's say you're losing about an hour of riding time. paying a premium to get around this also has value. question is, how much are these worth in dollar terms? everyone has a different threshold.
def. dude agreed!
 

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Living in new york city, there really aren't many options. In the same boat here...no car, rely on buses like ovrride/urbansherpa, not always enough people to make renting a car worthwhile.

Honestly if you spend 8 days/month snowboarding ie. every weekend there's really no easy option. Unfortunately, it's the price you pay for living in new york city. Personally, I've chosen to settle with the NY and NJ mountains for day trips. VT for me..no matter if its the bus, a rental car, splitting driving with friends etc is just really far, tiring and expensive to make it a regular occurrence.

Only other option would be to rent a house in VT and work Monday-Friday remotely:yahoo:
 

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You could always move closer to a mountain :giggle:

But all joking aside, that's one heck of a hike to make. Fun random fact: New York has more ski-resorts (50) than any other state in the country. There's got to be at least one within a reasonable driving distance, even if you have to go to Queens to get your car. Even if it's not that great of a mountain, at least you're strapped in? I have a season pass to a pretty lousy mountain in MA and go there probably 35 times a season and then I'll hit up Mt. Snow or something once or twice and call it a season. :dunno:
 

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Looking through this thread, my goodness things are expensive out east.

Last year's season pass to Kirkwood/Heavenly/Northstar came out to ~$419 for 7 day riding with some blackouts around the holidays.

I drive a Scion tC and I get to Kirkwood and back for a little under a full tank ($40ish). How much is gas over there? And why are season passes so expensive? Are you buying them late in the off-season?

My recommendation would be to buy a car. I can't imagine that the daily cost of having a personal car to drive up whenever you need to would be more expensive than paying for a bus every trip up.

Here I was thinking the West Coast was way more expensive than the East Coast. :laugh:
 

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Looking through this thread, my goodness things are expensive out east.

Last year's season pass to Kirkwood/Heavenly/Northstar came out to ~$419 for 7 day riding with some blackouts around the holidays.

I drive a Scion tC and I get to Kirkwood and back for a little under a full tank ($40ish). How much is gas over there? And why are season passes so expensive? Are you buying them late in the off-season?

My recommendation would be to buy a car. I can't imagine that the daily cost of having a personal car to drive up whenever you need to would be more expensive than paying for a bus every trip up.

Here I was thinking the West Coast was way more expensive than the East Coast. :laugh:
funny dude do you know me or something, If I was to buy one, I was thinking on a Scion Tc, some says good some says bad things about it, but mostly positive, a 2010 or above.

it's 4 dollar a gallon but in Jersey it's 3.50, any right-minded human being here knows to buy gas in Jersey, especially if you get out of the city a lot.

why saying that I checked Vail, that's like $2200, we do have mountains for 400 bucks to 1800 bucks, small ones in the 750 range

east coast is expensive? well i guess they say you guys make more so pay more, I make ok but of course if I am paying more for everything then what's the point of make more same thing as making less and paying less idk :dunno:

I don't want to get into a car conversation just yet coz I haven't decided yet but so what do you think about your scion what year is that, I am also scared about killing the car you know putting too much mileage on it...
 

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Get an old reliable beater car with good gas mileage and put some snow tires on it for the winter. Don't have to worry about scratches and no urges to smack loud teenagers at 5 am. That or buy headphones to drown out the teenagers on the bus and keep taking it.

I drive but I live on LI for years now, as long as the car gets good mileage it's really not too bad. Get to listen to your own music, stop and get some coffee or whatever when you want, and if you see annoying teenagers you can run them off the road :).

I have a pass in the Catskills but take a few trips up north to the Daks/Vermont/Maine each year. Not worth the time to head up to Vermont every weekend.

Edit: If you like Gore and Whiteface, Belleayre has a season pass option for all 3 mountains now.
 

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Get an old reliable beater car with good gas mileage and put some snow tires on it for the winter. Don't have to worry about scratches and no urges to smack loud teenagers at 5 am. That or buy headphones to drown out the teenagers on the bus and keep taking it.

I drive but I live on LI for years now, as long as the car gets good mileage it's really not too bad. Get to listen to your own music, stop and get some coffee or whatever when you want, and if you see annoying teenagers you can run them off the road :).

I have a pass in the Catskills but take a few trips up north to the Daks/Vermont/Maine each year. Not worth the time to head up to Vermont every weekend.

Edit: If you like Gore and Whiteface, Belleayre has a season pass option for all 3 mountains now.
agreed; VT certainly takes a toll out of you whether you're driving or not. you're talking 10+ hours of your weekend spent in a car. i did the math and on average for a season, i spend close to a week's worth of hours in a car between january and march. :thumbsdown:

that being said, i'm always looking for new buddies to roll with on trips and would happily offer up a seat in my car when i go on trips to VT about 1-2 times a month (weekends only though, i just don't see the purpose in driving up there for a day trip). on other weekends i usually do a day trip to the catskills. of course, i'd need to meet you first, preferably on a mountain if possible, to see if we can stand each other and ride together; otherwise it'll be an awkward drive to and fro.
 

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agreed; VT certainly takes a toll out of you whether you're driving or not. you're talking 10+ hours of your weekend spent in a car. i did the math and on average for a season, i spend close to a week's worth of hours in a car between january and march. :thumbsdown:

that being said, i'm always looking for new buddies to roll with on trips and would happily offer up a seat in my car when i go on trips to VT about 1-2 times a month (weekends only though, i just don't see the purpose in driving up there for a day trip). on other weekends i usually do a day trip to the catskills. of course, i'd need to meet you first, preferably on a mountain if possible, to see if we can stand each other and ride together; otherwise it'll be an awkward drive to and fro.
that sounds good i will be killington on saturday and hunter on sunday

true true 10 hours a day in the bus is really a lot of time, but what can we do this is what we got living in the east
 
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