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Guys,

First post.. yeah a total virgin :yahoo: don't hurt me too much :blink:

Off to Japan for about 10 days in Feb next year (Hakuba) and need some help narrowing down a choice of new board.

Been snowboarding a bit (on and off for a few years) I'd call myself intermediate and with more time on the snow moving hopefully keep learning and improving so I want something that works for me now and won't need an upgrade for a while.

Dets - 5'7 - 185/190lbs size 8.5 boot.

Style - Pure Freeride, groomers, pow pow (why else go to Japan?) not interested in park. Fast, slow, whatever takes my fancy and whatever the mountain throws at me for the day.

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a) YES PYL
b) GNU Billy Goat
c) NS Heritage or Raptor
d) Capita TFA
e) K2 Ultra
g) Jones Mountain Twin

I am pretty much looking for a board that will hold a nice edge, let me do most things and charge as hard as I want. I was leaning towards a YES or NS.

I know these requests get asked to death but being in Aus we don't get as many opportunities to hit quality snow/ demo the range that the rest of the world does. Interested to hear peoples thoughts on my choices.

Thanks :eusa_clap:
 

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hey, I spend most of my winters riding in Hakuba.
All of those boards you listed will be fine. Be aware that while we get lots of pow, it's not pow every day, especially if you stay inbounds.

off topic: if you do intend to ride out of bounds, make sure you have 1)the correct safety equipment and 2) take an avalanche course from Evergreen or steepdeepjapan.com
every year we find aussies with no gear and no clue following tracks in the backcountry
 

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Hey Supra,

Yeah I was pretty aware that most of the days aren't going to be pure power days so thats why I wanted something that would be able to do most of the options the day brings.

I won't be going backcountry (still need some more experience) and I'm happy to go to Hakuba/Japan and play by their rules. If I get to the point I want to do something different I'm the type of guy that would pay a guide to take me.

I was hoping they would mostly fit what I wanted (or one was better than another) just to help me narrow it down somewhat - Thanks for the reply!
 

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If I had any choice in the world it'd probably be either an Ultra Dream, PYL, or Rossi XV.
 

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Well I have the funds for any board in the world

its just a matter of getting some thoughts on what people think/like and their impressions.

I can only source a PYL in the 2014 models and not sure if they are changing much from the 2013 version?

I've seen you (Nivek) say that you liked the Ultra Dream a lot and thats kinda why it was on my list. :yahoo:

I'll check out the Rossi when I've got 5 mins

Thanks Nivek
 

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don't bother with the rossi. it's more for the gnar.
you want something that's medium stiff with rockered tips/nose. The ultra dream is good.
On Happo there is a cool park which is mostly banks...hence the name, 'Happo Banks'. Anyways, it's good fun and having a board that's a little playful isn't a bad thing.

The boards in your list are all all mountain boards and will handle the conditions no problem. The board profiles are quite different though and you have to think a little about whether you want rocker between your feet or what. If you don't have much experience right now, you prob don't have an idea of how everything feels. If that's the case, choose the board from your list based on how much you like the company and the graphics of the board. They will all work and you'll get used to whichever board you get...and love it since all boards feel great in great conditions.
 

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Thanks guys, pretty much the ones I was hoping for a reply I ended up with.

I've done a heap of research before this post so I just wanted to make sure I was on the right track.

I will let you know when decision time comes as to what I picked

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Guys,

First post.. yeah a total virgin :yahoo: don't hurt me too much :blink:

Off to Japan for about 10 days in Feb next year (Hakuba) and need some help narrowing down a choice of new board.

Been snowboarding a bit (on and off for a few years) I'd call myself intermediate and with more time on the snow moving hopefully keep learning and improving so I want something that works for me now and won't need an upgrade for a while.

Dets - 5'7 - 185/190lbs size 8.5 boot.

Style - Pure Freeride, groomers, pow pow (why else go to Japan?) not interested in park. Fast, slow, whatever takes my fancy and whatever the mountain throws at me for the day.

Potential Lists

a) YES PYL
b) GNU Billy Goat
c) NS Heritage or Raptor
d) Capita TFA
e) K2 Ultra
g) Jones Mountain Twin

I am pretty much looking for a board that will hold a nice edge, let me do most things and charge as hard as I want. I was leaning towards a YES or NS.

I know these requests get asked to death but being in Aus we don't get as many opportunities to hit quality snow/ demo the range that the rest of the world does. Interested to hear peoples thoughts on my choices.

Thanks :eusa_clap:
Pretty much agree with the other posters - from that list the Ultra Dream and the PYL are the top choices.
The Billy Goat and NS decks are probably more board than you will ever need in Japan and also not the most floaty decks. From NS the Cobra could be an option - you want at least the 158. Brando Lando could be an even better match (tapered!), but is an unknown quantity for now.
 

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don't bother with the rossi. it's more for the gnar.
you want something that's medium stiff with rockered tips/nose. The ultra dream is good.
On Happo there is a cool park which is mostly banks...hence the name, 'Happo Banks'. Anyways, it's good fun and having a board that's a little playful isn't a bad thing.

The boards in your list are all all mountain boards and will handle the conditions no problem. The board profiles are quite different though and you have to think a little about whether you want rocker between your feet or what. If you don't have much experience right now, you prob don't have an idea of how everything feels. If that's the case, choose the board from your list based on how much you like the company and the graphics of the board. They will all work and you'll get used to whichever board you get...and love it since all boards feel great in great conditions.
Not as much "for the gnar" as you'd think. It is definitely the most freeride of the lot but totally rideable everyday for someone looking for a more than all mountain board. With the shit Xavier does he values liveliness as much or possibly even more than dampness. So the board isn't as stiff as you'd think.
 

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I am pretty much in agreement with the rest of the posters here.

I would personally go with the Ultra dream from your list, although I haven't ridden it I have had a look at one and the tips will surely give a lot of float and the board is still a good all mountain shape.

I may pick one up myself for this coming winter, there are other contenders though.

As for length you might want to go 161 since you are not bothered about park. More stability and float, since it has a lot of rocker in the tip and tail I believe the contact points will be quite close in.
 

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Not as much "for the gnar" as you'd think. It is definitely the most freeride of the lot but totally rideable everyday for someone looking for a more than all mountain board. With the shit Xavier does he values liveliness as much or possibly even more than dampness. So the board isn't as stiff as you'd think.
I'm basing my thoughts off the experience. I know that Xavier changed it up, but I assumed it would still have the dampness. I find the Experience to be a great allmountain board, but the dampness in pow isn't as fun as other decks, albeit super stable. I'm looking forward to seeing how the juice wagon stacks up against it in the gnar.


Anyhoo, I just reread the OP and realized that he's only going for 10 days! Are you planning on riding in Australia too?
You know, you could rent a board for the 10 days. In Hakuba you can rent k2's, I think I saw an Ultra dream in the shop the one time I went. They also had lib techs. Or you can just rent yourself a Gentemstick and have the best of the best!

Another option is to get 2 boards: one fun board, one pure pow board.
 

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Lib tech birdman 170 or 160 if you dont like big boards. Will out float any of those other boards
 

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Lib tech birdman 170 or 160 if you dont like big boards. Will out float any of those other boards
Sorry, but no. Yes, it will out-float anything mentioned here (other than most Gentemsticks) - rocker with a long nose will do that for you. But not what the OP is asking for, as it really not a charging deck - rocker with a long/flappy nose is not what you want for that.
 

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Its camber under foot jerry. Charges pretty damn well for me and big floppy nose isnt how i would describe the 160.
 

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You guys have given me some more boards to think about. Not interested in renting, it's not the first or the last time I'll be hitting the snow. Riding in Australia? Not worth it, NZ yes definitely, probably in July/Aug after the Japan trip.

I'm kinda looking for a quality all round board that I can grow into a little and while I know there is no one perfect board, something that does most things well is what I'm aiming for. If I had the chance to board more often I'd have a quiver.

What about a BSOD? Though I've read plenty say it's a little soft?

Judging by most feedback it's Ultra Dream or the PYL?
 

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I'd take the ultra dream over the pyl. If you look on boardworld.co.au there's a couple of aussies that got the pyl and the rocker camber profile is different ... apparently from switching factories last year.

Ultra dream will be good on NZ hardpack too. I tried one last winter and it carved well and floated too...plus it's a twinnish shape
 

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Its camber under foot jerry. Charges pretty damn well for me and big floppy nose isnt how i would describe the 160.
Only if you have been standing on the nose for a long time or have stuck the deck into your press... Otherwise it is pretty much the standard BTX profile - rocker between the feet and flat out to the contact points.
 

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I'm also planning to hit Hakuba for the first time next Feb. I've been through all the posts on this board and I am super excited. When do you plan to book your hotel? I'm hesitating because I read everything needs a deposit and I haven't locked down exact dates. I'm worried that I might wait too long and miss the opportunity to get a good place to stay.

I actually picked up a NS Raptor (165) on sale at the end of season to make the trip over with me. It was between this and the Ultra Dream for me but I thought I'd get a lot more use out of the Raptor overall. Also, everybody here seems to really love the NS stuff so it seemed worth trying.

All I can do now is stare at the new board on the wall until the new season starts though. I'm trying to decide whether to put the Capos or IPOs on it (the other will go on my TRS). Leaning towards the Capos but I figure Ill get a good couple of months of riding each board before heading over.
 

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Let's start over

If I had any choice in the world it'd probably be either an Ultra Dream, PYL, or Rossi XV.
Nivek, let's be friends. I love the Rossi XV. It's the board I will be getting for the 14 season. It's sick. Do you know when it's coming out/cost/info etc. Because there's almost like no info on it.
 
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