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I have a 2019 Jones Explorer 161 Wide but I don't love riding it so am looking for other board recommendations.

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Expert rider with 30 years experience
Carving, moguls, trees and steeps (no park or tricks)
6' 2" / 190lbs / size 13 boots
Burton Genesis bindings

I am struggling to pinpoint what I don't like about the Explorer - it is probably that the board never really impresses me rather than it being poor at any one particular thing. The Explorer never encourages me to push harder or go faster or never inspires a new level of confidence. It is almost always obedient (less so on ice!) but feels like it is along for the ride rather than being a willing partner. Edge-to-edge transitions also feel slow but this could be party due to it being a wide board. I normall fide a forward angle stance (+21/+9) but have tried duck (+19/-6) with no real change in feel. Does any of this make sense or does it sound like a lame personal ad?!?!

I there a versatile board that will carve hard at high speeds, shred through moguls and slice through tight, steep tree pitches better than the Explorer does?
 

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Have you tried using more setback, and are you sure about the boot size? Board that don't match with width and torsional flex will feel like that. You probably want a board with more camber and less torsional stiffness if you want the same width, but hard to check all the boxes.
 

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Have you tried using more setback, and are you sure about the boot size? Board that don't match with width and torsional flex will feel like that. You probably want a board with more camber and less torsional stiffness if you want the same width, but hard to check all the boxes.
Thanks for the reply.

I definitely have size 13 boots (can't go smaller) but with the 161W I don't have any boot overhang. Does that answer your comment about width and torsional flex?

I haven't messed with the setback because I don't understand what effect it has. Currently set up with the default/factory centered stance.

One review said this: "The Explorer thrived in almost all conditions but had a tendency to slip on hard pack. For a board of this stiffness, it maneuvered through bumps very well and had a powerful and athletic edging character. Relative to other boards in the review, this board provided above average powder flotation thanks to its rockered and blunted nose. We found that it popped better than fully rockered boards, yet not quite as efficiently as cambered ones. It's a great choice for just about anyone looking to have fun on the hill while saving some cash; it's a super deal."

Other reviews also commented on it having good performance for the price but I am willing to spend more if the board will perform better and be more fun to ride!
 

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Just try some setback on the Explorer first, will make it react quicker and you get more pressure on the tail. I think Yes Standard or Nitro Magnum would suit you, something like that.
 

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I think the Explorer is meant for less advanced rider who need a freeride board which is does not need to bw pushed hard or for someone who does not want to pay the price of a Flagship or equivalent.
For an expert rider who can afford the price, this is probably not the right board.
You could look at the Yes PYL. That would be more nimble than the Flagship apparently.
 

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Just try some setback on the Explorer first, will make it react quicker and you get more pressure on the tail.
Pardon my ignorance, but does this mean moving both bindings back equally from the default centered stance or should I start by just moving the front binding back one hole?
 

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I think the Explorer is meant for less advanced rider who need a freeride board which is does not need to bw pushed hard or for someone who does not want to pay the price of a Flagship or equivalent.
For an expert rider who can afford the price, this is probably not the right board.
Grrrrr that is not what I wanted to hear. When I went shopping at my local board store price/budget never entered the conversation, I just told them my riding style and they said the Explorer would be the best match. Serves me right for not doing my homework but I gladly would have paid 50% more the first time to get the right board!
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but does this mean moving both bindings back equally from the default centered stance or should I start by just moving the front binding back one hole?
It just means going back from reference or from the center of the sidecut. The Explorer already has some setback. If your stance is narrower than ref, place your front binding on the back inserts and measure your stance from there to place the back binding. If your stance is wider than ref, place the back bindings at the back inserts and measure your stance to place the front binding. That sets it all the way back, try it and see if it helps, move forward abit if it's weird.
 

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Grrrrr that is not what I wanted to hear. When I went shopping at my local board store price/budget never entered the conversation, I just told them my riding style and they said the Explorer would be the best match. Serves me right for not doing my homework but I gladly would have paid 50% more the first time to get the right board!
Sorry to hear that.
One thing you should do befote buying a new board is measure your feet and check your boots are the correct size. 13 is a fairly big size and it is common here to see people downsize at least one full size.
The 13 might be too big for proper carving with a PYL 160 (I'd pick that for myself, 84kgs 1.8m, 11US boots and advanced rider). I guess you could do the 164W for yourself if you want extra stability and lose a bit in the trees.
 

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I think the Explorer is meant for less advanced rider who need a freeride board which is does not need to bw pushed hard or for someone who does not want to pay the price of a Flagship or equivalent.
For an expert rider who can afford the price, this is probably not the right board.
You could look at the Yes PYL. That would be more nimble than the Flagship apparently.
Flagship is stiffer with more aggressive camber profile compared to the Explorer. Same basic CamRoc profile, just more flex & less pronounced camber.

I bought the Flag first & it was just too stiff and hard to turn @ slower speeds, on less than steep & deep shit. We don't gots any of that in SE Mich. ?‍♂

So I returned it for the Explorer. I love mine. (161 reg) Its fast, it's stable, it rips on groomers. (...don't get to put it in much, or any pow really.) I don't think It would be my first pick for trees, but I can bomb the fuck out of sum groomers on that thing. Im very happy with mine.

But then,... Im no expert rider either. ?‍♂
 

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You are experiencing why wide boards suck when you don't have the correct body movements.
I used to ride 25cm waist board, now I ride a 30cm waist board and do it easily because I am no longer fighting my edges with every bit of leverage I can muster.

If you have an open mind to this problem you can fix it and improve your riding as a by product.
 

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You are experiencing why wide boards suck when you don't have the correct body movements.
I would not consider that board wide for 13US boots, particularly for an expert rider.
I understand your point though. I plan to read your blog before the I start the season.
Have you downsized your boards since you added so much width?
I have started to ride wider board in the last couple of years and really want to get at least a 27+cm waist board but already bought 2 for the season...
 

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I would not consider that board wide for 13US boots, particularly for an expert rider.
I understand your point though. I plan to read your blog before the I start the season.
Have you downsized your boards since you added so much width?
I have started to ride wider board in the last couple of years and really want to get at least a 27+cm waist board but already bought 2 for the season...
I don't consider it wide either but the op did say that its slow edge to edge which tells me he uses lots of energy in his legs trying to force something to happen down there just like I did for the first 10 years of my riding career. Slow edge to edge means I'm not leaning over enough, I lost leverage. I need to lean more to generate the same force.

Jumping up in sidecut radii will make riding feel very difficult too, keep that in mind.
 

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I don't consider it wide either but the op did say that its slow edge to edge which tells me he uses lots of energy in his legs trying to force something to happen down there just like I did for the first 10 years of my riding career. Slow edge to edge means I'm not leaning over enough, I lost leverage. I need to lean more to generate the same force.

Jumping up in sidecut radii will make riding feel very difficult too, keep that in mind.
What are your stats and your board lenght and sidecut radius?

For now, I am more looking at shorter fat board, like Marhar Lumberjack X, Amplid Dada or a not overly downsized Superpig
 

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What are your stats and your board lenght and sidecut radius?

For now, I am more looking at shorter fat board, like Marhar Lumberjack X, Amplid Dada or a not overly downsized Superpig
Sorry OP lol.
My stats are 190cm tall. 85kg. US10 boots.
My carving board is a 142 with a 1m effective edge.
This season Im riding 4 variations of it.
12m sidecut 30.4 waist
14m sidecut 30.4 waist
16m sidecut 30.4 waist
And 12m sidecut 32cm waist for when it gets slushy and I start booting out on the 30.4
 

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Sorry OP lol.
My stats are 190cm tall. 85kg. US10 boots.
My carving board is a 142 with a 1m effective edge.
This season Im riding 4 variations of it.
12m sidecut 30.4 waist
14m sidecut 30.4 waist
16m sidecut 30.4 waist
And 12m sidecut 32cm waist for when it gets slushy and I start booting out on the 30.4
Thanks!
That is real short!
So those are specialised carving board or do you use them in pow as well?
At that size, it should be quite fun to jump on every side hits I assume?
 

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Thanks!
That is real short!
So those are specialised carving board or do you use them in pow as well?
At that size, it should be quite fun to jump on every side hits I assume?
Many would love that board for pow but i have a better shape for pow. For me its a pure carve board, the long nose eases into turns graciously ?
I shall put a pic in the quiver thread.
 

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Many would love that board for pow but i have a better shape for pow. For me its a pure carve board, the long nose eases into turns graciously ?
I shall put a pic in the quiver thread.
Cool , just saw your pow board.
What are the dimensions?
I can only imagine how great it feels to ride its own home-made board.
 
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