I wouldnāt hesitate to go 157 on party platter if you need the width. I am 80kg and owns the 152 and find it really soft. I use it for mellow carving and playing around when riding with my kids. Is a fun board but not very capable when things get tough.
Looking fort first Volume shifted board, got it down to 4 choices!
Hi all,
Got some great advice from you guys a while back on stepping into the world of volume shifted boards and based on prob tooooo much research and what I can get my hands on have narrowed the search down to 4 boards and would really appreciate some input?
Quick recap. Intermediate older rider, clinging onto my youth, 10years of riding, but only 5-10days on the snow each year. Mainly board in Japan and Europe, chilled through to aggressive cruising on the groomers, searching for pow and riding through/ in the tree line, natural side hits no real interest in park.6ā1ā, 81kg, 13US boots (yes theyāve been properly sized). live in Hong Kong at the mo, so sourcing gear for my specs is a real headache. Currently riding a 164wide Jones Explore, Love its width and stability, the Jones 3D contour base is great in a long drawn out turn. Will hold onto the Explorer, but Iām looking for a board with more energy/ life out of a carve, better pow float and faster turning, in the tress, while keeping the width and stability.
options
K2 Party Platter 152, seems like the more fun option and with a pretty playful setup and may work as an addition to the Explorer (as Iām coming down from a 164wide, really concerned just how short this is, would it be madness to consider the 157?) might be able to source locally.
Salomon Dancehaul, 157
K2 Excavator 158, seems to tick all the boxes, but my gut says no
Ride SuperPig 154, apart from its ability level, seems like the best fit, but as my body is getting cranky donāt want a board Iām going to have to be full on with all day, the only board I can definitely source locally in HK (that and a WarPig, but I took that off the list due to lack of camber and have been told it might be step down from the Explorer? )
Iāve based my sizing on the manufacturer rec weights and then on width, with all the boards being approx 270.
cheers C
Got some great advice from you guys a while back on stepping into the world of volume shifted boards and based on prob tooooo much research and what I can get my hands on have narrowed the search down to 4 boards and would really appreciate some input?
Quick recap. Intermediate older rider, clinging onto my youth, 10years of riding, but only 5-10days on the snow each year. Mainly board in Japan and Europe, chilled through to aggressive cruising on the groomers, searching for pow and riding through/ in the tree line, natural side hits no real interest in park.6ā1ā, 81kg, 13US boots (yes theyāve been properly sized). live in Hong Kong at the mo, so sourcing gear for my specs is a real headache. Currently riding a 164wide Jones Explore, Love its width and stability, the Jones 3D contour base is great in a long drawn out turn. Will hold onto the Explorer, but Iām looking for a board with more energy/ life out of a carve, better pow float and faster turning, in the tress, while keeping the width and stability.
options
K2 Party Platter 152, seems like the more fun option and with a pretty playful setup and may work as an addition to the Explorer (as Iām coming down from a 164wide, really concerned just how short this is, would it be madness to consider the 157?) might be able to source locally.
Salomon Dancehaul, 157
K2 Excavator 158, seems to tick all the boxes, but my gut says no
Ride SuperPig 154, apart from its ability level, seems like the best fit, but as my body is getting cranky donāt want a board Iām going to have to be full on with all day, the only board I can definitely source locally in HK (that and a WarPig, but I took that off the list due to lack of camber and have been told it might be step down from the Explorer? )
Iāve based my sizing on the manufacturer rec weights and then on width, with all the boards being approx 270.
cheers C
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Thanks a lot for the heads up, finding it difficult to get my head around some of the sizing, actual riders like yourself are saying no probs going bigger, where as some of the āpopularā reviewers seem to say keep it smaller. I suppose they are generally talking about riders with normal sized feet and arenāt coming down from a 164/163 wideI wouldnāt hesitate to go 157 on party platter if you need the width. I am 80kg and owns the 152 and find it really soft. I use it for mellow carving and playing around when riding with my kids. Is a fun board but not very capable when things get tough.
I guess it all comes down to preferences. I wear US9 boots so in theory I donĀ“t need a 270mm waist (most of my board are around 260mm waist) but for me it doesnĀ“t make the PP harder to ride. I can do really short carving turns since I can get a very high angle and the board flexes a lot. CanĀ“t go too fast though, for that I have other boards.Thanks a lot for the heads up, finding it difficult to get my head around some of the sizing, actual riders like yourself are saying no probs going bigger, where as some of the āpopularā reviewers seem to say keep it smaller. I suppose they are generally talking about riders with normal sized feet and arenāt coming down from a 164/163 wide
I ride the PP about 10cm shorter than my other boards.
old guy ripper, 10.5 feet stuffed in 9.5 boot, 210# ,6foot. still huckin road gaps, laying trenches, poppin rollers.
K2 Party Platter 157 2020 super fun, a bit squirrely at warp speed or when very rear foot aggressive in carves (had one)
K2 Excavator 158 2021 hands down top 3 directional/hybrid decks ive ever ridden, it really digs trenches. (still own one)
Ride SuperPig 158 xl 2020loved this deck super damp, stable, pops, turns pretty good can feel stiff at times/could have down sized to the 154 but rather have length underme (had one, loved it)
Ride mtn pig 164w (brown/black) rips, killer deck for fast/rippin, a bit stiff at times(had one, loved it, sold it) haven't tried the split tail yet.
never summer hammer 165x 2021 first year release/camber/early rise. love this deck superb built quality, very smooth ride, fast , pops carves/turns great, floats. deck is under 6 pounds!! (own one, nice all round ripper)
cardiff crane 162 loved this deck, i found it needed bigger mountains then i could provide it. excellent deck good build quality you can feel, loves to go fast (sold it)
cadiff 158 bonsai another excellent deck, has ther different profile, at mach 10 it felt better than a superpig and it turns better all around. (Own one, nice ripper deck)
k2 overboard 165: love this deck super fun turns beautifully, pop wells and surprisingly stomps/lands pretty good too. big fan of the bamboo! (still own one, groom/powder) love it.
nitro magnum 167 if you want a wide that turns like its much smaller, score one of these, super fun to monster truck/stomp around, nice placement on the power pods! (own one, love it, prolly as good as skunk ape or at least worth it cost wise) under rated deck for sure!
GNU banked country 160w if yer very aggressive, especially on the rear foot & you rip n shred most of the time you ride then you will fall in love with this deck, the power/grip you can put into the rear is amazing, saved me many times at mach10 (own one, love it, carves boiler plate, screams everywhere)
K2 Party Platter 157 2020 super fun, a bit squirrely at warp speed or when very rear foot aggressive in carves (had one)
K2 Excavator 158 2021 hands down top 3 directional/hybrid decks ive ever ridden, it really digs trenches. (still own one)
Ride SuperPig 158 xl 2020loved this deck super damp, stable, pops, turns pretty good can feel stiff at times/could have down sized to the 154 but rather have length underme (had one, loved it)
Ride mtn pig 164w (brown/black) rips, killer deck for fast/rippin, a bit stiff at times(had one, loved it, sold it) haven't tried the split tail yet.
never summer hammer 165x 2021 first year release/camber/early rise. love this deck superb built quality, very smooth ride, fast , pops carves/turns great, floats. deck is under 6 pounds!! (own one, nice all round ripper)
cardiff crane 162 loved this deck, i found it needed bigger mountains then i could provide it. excellent deck good build quality you can feel, loves to go fast (sold it)
cadiff 158 bonsai another excellent deck, has ther different profile, at mach 10 it felt better than a superpig and it turns better all around. (Own one, nice ripper deck)
k2 overboard 165: love this deck super fun turns beautifully, pop wells and surprisingly stomps/lands pretty good too. big fan of the bamboo! (still own one, groom/powder) love it.
nitro magnum 167 if you want a wide that turns like its much smaller, score one of these, super fun to monster truck/stomp around, nice placement on the power pods! (own one, love it, prolly as good as skunk ape or at least worth it cost wise) under rated deck for sure!
GNU banked country 160w if yer very aggressive, especially on the rear foot & you rip n shred most of the time you ride then you will fall in love with this deck, the power/grip you can put into the rear is amazing, saved me many times at mach10 (own one, love it, carves boiler plate, screams everywhere)
I'm 225lbs and wear a size 11 boot and I've been riding the superpig 154 for the past 2 years. As others have said it's a great all around board. Stable at speed, lays trenches, has good pop, floats very good in powder, nimble in the trees, and rides switch just fine. I had the warpig in a 154 before the superpig and it really feels more like a park board compared to the superpig.
SUPER PIG RIPS!!!!I'm 225lbs and wear a size 11 boot and I've been riding the superpig 154 for the past 2 years. As others have said it's a great all around board. Stable at speed, lays trenches, has good pop, floats very good in powder, nimble in the trees, and rides switch just fine. I had the warpig in a 154 before the superpig and it really feels more like a park board compared to the superpig.
Thanks I'll check it out. Where are you finding them for $300?i loved the superpig volume shifted, those decks fckn RIP! if you ever wanna go back to a longer camber deck, check out the nitro magnum. super lite and actually turns like its a smaller deck. they close out for around $300+ end of season
hell yes size 9 boot and 26ww deck! i agree totally. keep on rippin!I guess it all comes down to preferences. I wear US9 boots so in theory I donĀ“t need a 270mm waist (most of my board are around 260mm waist) but for me it doesnĀ“t make the PP harder to ride. I can do really short carving turns since I can get a very high angle and the board flexes a lot. CanĀ“t go too fast though, for that I have other boards.
I ride the PP about 10cm shorter than my other boards.
asogear/eriksbikeshop/usedebayThanks I'll check it out. Where are you finding them for $300?
and the nitro magnum has the 'power pods' which are like minimum magna traction, at the binding areas, so you get even less boot out where you need it most. took me 1.5 runs to get a feel for it, i really liked what the power pods do for the massive deck.
i should also clarify $300+ after tax title and license, etc.
if you are on the website and you email the sales link, asking if they have any 'closeouts' or 'scratch and dents' they might email you an offer, depends on time of year and stock etc.
Hey thanks for the input, get that the SuperPig is a great/ better board, but is it a better board than the WarPig (or others on my list) for a low-mid level intermediate rider, with old cranky legs, that at times just wants to chill and cruise on the slopes?I'm 225lbs and wear a size 11 boot and I've been riding the superpig 154 for the past 2 years. As others have said it's a great all around board. Stable at speed, lays trenches, has good pop, floats very good in powder, nimble in the trees, and rides switch just fine. I had the warpig in a 154 before the superpig and it really feels more like a park board compared to the superpig.
if you hadnāt had a chance to the own a SuperPig, how would you rate the WarPig, for what Iām after?
or do you really feel a lower level rider can enjoy the SuperPig as an all mountain ride?
cheers
Don't get me wrong I really liked the Warpig, it does everything pretty well it just doesn't carve as well and not as stable at speeds than the superpig and I think that's due to camber profile. The Superpig is not that aggressive of a board. I'm 47, intermediate/advanced, and have arthritis under both knee caps and I didn't struggle with it. I have a Rome Ravine Select that I think is much stiffer than the superpig. Put it this way, I bought the warpig and rode it for 2 years until I came across a good deal on a superpig and bought it and I never rode the warpig again. You can be laid back and cruise with either but the superpig will be more fun when you want to push it.Hey thanks for the input, get that the SuperPig is a great/ better board, but is it a better board than the WarPig (or others on my list) for a low-mid level intermediate rider, with old cranky legs, that at times just wants to chill and cruise on the slopes?
if you hadnāt had a chance to the own a SuperPig, how would you rate the WarPig, for what Iām after?
or do you really feel a lower level rider can enjoy the SuperPig as an all mountain ride?
cheers
Exaclty this!!Don't get me wrong I really liked the Warpig, it does everything pretty well it just doesn't carve as well and not as stable at speeds than the superpig and I think that's due to camber profile. The Superpig is not that aggressive of a board. I'm 47, intermediate/advanced, and have arthritis under both knee caps and I didn't struggle with it. I have a Rome Ravine Select that I think is much stiffer than the superpig. Put it this way, I bought the warpig and rode it for 2 years until I came across a good deal on a superpig and bought it and I never rode the warpig again. You can be laid back and cruise with either but the superpig will be more fun when you want to push it.
Hey all,
Just wanted to say thanks again for all the advice from the forum. I went for a 2022 SuperPig, itās arrived and looks totally sweet, havenāt had a chance a ride it yet, but the off the snow flex actually seems a little less than my Jones.
No surprise, I do have another question, Im currentās set up with Burton Cartels and Burton Ruler wides speed zone, not looking to upgrade the Cartels at the mo, but the Rulers soles are coming unstuck and need replacing. Iāve loved the Ruler, so was just going to update with BOA model . Anyone out there, know the Rulers well and feels I should be looking at a stiffer boot, like the Photon wide. I only board 20/25 days a year so donāt need a tech high boot that retains it stiffness from getting mental use.
Cheers as always
C
Just wanted to say thanks again for all the advice from the forum. I went for a 2022 SuperPig, itās arrived and looks totally sweet, havenāt had a chance a ride it yet, but the off the snow flex actually seems a little less than my Jones.
No surprise, I do have another question, Im currentās set up with Burton Cartels and Burton Ruler wides speed zone, not looking to upgrade the Cartels at the mo, but the Rulers soles are coming unstuck and need replacing. Iāve loved the Ruler, so was just going to update with BOA model . Anyone out there, know the Rulers well and feels I should be looking at a stiffer boot, like the Photon wide. I only board 20/25 days a year so donāt need a tech high boot that retains it stiffness from getting mental use.
Cheers as always
C
Burton boots donāt seem to last very long before stuff starts breaking down, from my own experience. Per a couple of Burton āGuidesā, the Ruler, Photon, etc., break down much faster than the more expensive boots, which they say are more expensive because they are made with premium materials that last longer. Per someone that processes warranties for Burton, boots are really only good for 25ish days, but that was also the personās opinion of all boots in the industry š¤ā¦ Personally, I think thatās bullshit because of the premium price a boot like the Photon costs (relative to all the other boots in the industry). PER THEIR LOGIC, HOW ON EARTH IS THE WHOLE STEPON BINDING/CLEATED BURTON BOOT THING SUPPOSED TO WORK IF THE BOOTS AREN'T EXPECTED TO LAST VERY LONG?Hey all,
Just wanted to say thanks again for all the advice from the forum. I went for a 2022 SuperPig, itās arrived and looks totally sweet, havenāt had a chance a ride it yet, but the off the snow flex actually seems a little less than my Jones.
No surprise, I do have another question, Im currentās set up with Burton Cartels and Burton Ruler wides speed zone, not looking to upgrade the Cartels at the mo, but the Rulers soles are coming unstuck and need replacing. Iāve loved the Ruler, so was just going to update with BOA model . Anyone out there, know the Rulers well and feels I should be looking at a stiffer boot, like the Photon wide. I only board 20/25 days a year so donāt need a tech high boot that retains it stiffness from getting mental use.
Cheers as always
C
I will say, from my experience which is contrary to othersā opinions, the Life+ liner has held up quite well for me while also being very comfortable after a heat molding. There is a difference with the foam compared to the DriverX liner (Imprint3+)ā¦ the tongue on the Life+ has a good amount of rebound to it and it is lasting beyond my expectations. In contrast, the Imprint3+ tongue has no rebound to it and is also flat right over the instep (I have no idea if that is per design or not, itās just how I received them) and the tongue foam against the shin loses volume/support quickly. While I like that the Imprint3+ runs the support bars (whatever theyāre called) higher up in the liner, thatās a modification I can make to just about any liner and otherwise I think the rest of the liner is total crap for the price of the boot. I put the Life+ liners in my DriverX boots and itās just a better liner.
All this being said, I wonāt be buying another pair of Burton boots. You mentioned not needing a boot that retains stiffness, so my experience may not offer you muchā¦ but you might find a better boot if you look at a different brand.
Ch
Thanks lots for your comment, but as I mentioned, I loved my Burton Rulers, have kept me going for years and my old pair fitted my odd shape feet perfectly. My question was more to do with the Ruler flex being an ok/ good pairing for the SuperPig, or if should think about going for a stiffer pair. Again that would probably be Burton because there wide boots tend to fit my foot shape.Burton boots donāt seem to last very long before stuff starts breaking down, from my own experience. Per a couple of Burton āGuidesā, the Ruler, Photon, etc., break down much faster than the more expensive boots, which they say are more expensive because they are made with premium materials that last longer. Per someone that processes warranties for Burton, boots are really only good for 25ish days, but that was also the personās opinion of all boots in the industry š¤ā¦ Personally, I think thatās bullshit because of the premium price a boot like the Photon costs (relative to all the other boots in the industry). PER THEIR LOGIC, HOW ON EARTH IS THE WHOLE STEPON BINDING/CLEATED BURTON BOOT THING SUPPOSED TO WORK IF THE BOOTS AREN'T EXPECTED TO LAST VEEY LONG?
I will say, from my experience which is contrary to othersā opinions, the Life+ liner has held up quite well for me while also being very comfortable after a heat molding. There is a difference with the foam compared to the DriverX liner (Imprint3+)ā¦ the tongue on the Life+ has a good amount of rebound to it and it is lasting beyond my expectations. In contrast, the Imprint3+ tongue has no rebound to it and is also flat right over the instep (I have no idea if that is per design or not, itās just how I received them) and the tongue foam against the shin loses volume/support quickly. While I like that the Imprint3+ runs the support bars (whatever theyāre called) higher up in the liner, thatās a modification I can make to just about any liner and otherwise I think the rest of the liner is total crap for the price of the boot. I put the Life+ liners in my DriverX boots and itās just a better liner.
All this being said, I wonāt be buying another pair of Burton boots. You mentioned not needing a boot that retains stiffness, so my experience may not offer you muchā¦ but you might find a better boot if you look at a different brand.
My bad man.Ch
Thanks lots for your comment, but as I mentioned, I loved my Burton Rulers, have kept me going for years and my old pair fitted my odd shape feet perfectly. My question was more to do with the Ruler flex being an ok/ good pairing for the SuperPig, or if should think about going for a stiffer pair. Again that would probably be Burton because there wide boots tend to fit my foot shape.
In effort to save face š¤¦āāļø and try to give a better answer, Iād rather have my boot a little stiffer than binding/board than a little softer. Unfortunately I have any experience with the Ruler or Photon. If the Photon flex is anything like the SLX, then I donāt see how that would hinder your performance.
Sorry man, wish I help you out a little bit better.
Ruler, Photon and SLX are all marketed as medium flex by Burton. I can only say for the SLX and Ruler they are about the same but SLX is built better as it should be.
sorry shouldāve been clearer, the Ruler and Photon are my main options, because they come in a wide fitting and I know the ruler definitely fit. Iāve tried 32ās, K2 and Salomonās and in general they donāt fit my feet.
Since you need wide and Rulers fit you perfectly I wouldn't be looking at any other boot. Not sure about Photons width but it might not fit you the same as Rulers. I'd say you should only try Photons IF you can return them. Otherwise go for Rulers again and be happysorry shouldāve been clearer, the Ruler and Photon are my main options, because they come in a wide fitting and I know the ruler definitely fit. Iāve tried 32ās, K2 and Salomonās and in general they donāt fit my feet.
Haven't tried the other boards but I tried a buddy's Dancehaul for a couple days and it was a really fun all around board.
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