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Ya.... what I like about Fright Trees ( a side from the run itself) is it's a great run from the top of the HRM lift through the park, through some trees to a short cat track, and you're there...... then it drops you off right at the lift line.Jacks Woods and Fright Trees are sooo much fun! I need to make my way down to Hood still this season. Meadows is looking real good right now.
Well dude with regard to Ski Bowl, it is not that the lift is long, it is painfully slow. I only ride that lift once just to get to the upper lift or over to the Multipor chair. Don't get me wrong I love Ski Bowl and it has the sickest inbound terrain of all three when you ride the Outback! I also like the vibe at Ski Bowl and nothing beats it on a powder night.
Now, to be fair here and you know that I love Timberline and Ski Bowl, I think your perception is a bit skewed and I think you may just be bored with riding the same place. When you look at the actual data, Meadows is not unusually short compared to not just Timberline but to Snowbird and Powder Mountain as well. Here are some of the stats:
Here is the data from Utah:
Not knocking those other places at all but just showing that Meadows is very comparable to the other places that you mention and this idea that it is unusually short just isn't the case when you really look at the numbers. From the top of Cascade to the bottom of HRM can be made into an incredibly long and diverse run going from wide open alpine bowls, through technical steeps and cliff drops, down a few groomers, through a large terrain park and finally through dense timber to the lift and that run while listed as 3 miles can be stretched to nearly 4 if you know the lines to take.
In my search, I was in fact startled to see that Meadows has more vert that Alyeska (my favorite resort) and is 1/3 larger with longer runs. Bottom line for me is Meadows is right in the middle range of average for most western resorts. I like Timberline a lot as you know, but if you are bored with the terrain at Meadows, Timberline will drive you to tears by the end of a season. For me Timberline is a great break from Meadows and my springtime goto resort and is my launching platform to access the backcountry like White River, Zigzag and obviously the summit of Mt. Hood but Meadows blows Timberline away when it comes to inbound terrain.
Having said that, I have my spring pass for Timberline and will get letters to ride skibowl at night now that Meadows is done with nights.....:thumbsup:
Like I said, not knocking anyplace or you. I just don't feel it like you do and this my 9'th year riding there 2-3 days a week from noon till close usually. Don't know what to tell you about being bored; might be time to start learning park. I had a blast in the Pipe Friday night. I love riding at other places and will hit up Sunrise and Snowbowl again in Arizona if still open on my trip, but I just always seem to find things to do to keep me entertained.
By the way, unless its raining I plan on riding at Ski Bowl Thursday night after riding at Meadows in the day. If you're interested, I will show you around Outback before dark and then lap some upper bowls/Multipor chair later. Not lapping that slow as fuck lower chair....:thumbsup:
Also looking at White Pass on the 27'th or 28'th. planning on splitboarding St. Helens next week. If you want to get over being bored and get long runs in, time to grab a splitboard; that's where it's really at.
Without even reading Wolfie's entire reply I'm gonna call you a straight up dick. There's no need for that kind of talk here.Well I watched your you tube videos and you look like your not even close to park riding... Sorry calling as I see
I got my timberline spring pass 2 days ago. While I do love the timberline vibe it will never compare to meadows. Itr's like kiddy slope vs. real adult slope.I actually left Meadows for a couple years to go back to Timberline to avoid the high prices and long lift lines, I came back because I felt I missed the terrain at Meadows and wanted to try the ew lift and RFID gates, Ugh Im not impressed, The lines on a peak day are almost worse now and prices are still high, to top it off the new lift is short and not all that great. Unless you can hit Heather Canyon before the skiers ruin it with moguls.
Which brings back to the point of Meadows being a let down, Its 80% skiers it seems which is fine nothing aginst them but it does ruin the bowls with their tiny s turns.
To sum it up Meadows is not as great as I remember, Timberline has won me over for good. My opinion anyway, Im sure some agree but alot dont.
That vid is freakin awesome!! So it actually took you from govy to the lodge?The way to go for someone who is not interested in Meadows is the Fusion Pass that gives you unlimited access to both Timberline and Skibowl. You get the great vibe of Timberline, long gentle well groomed cruisers, nice glades and the best parks on the mountain. At Skibowl, you get great free ride terrain that ranges from easy to highly technical. It`s terrain is every bit as gnarly as Meadows, just not as much of it in square acres. Then of course there is the aspect of the largest night skiing area in North America. Skibowl on a deep powder night is epic. The real downside to Skibowl is it`s elevation. It gets less snow that either Timberline or Meadows and often it is pouring down rain while both Meadows and Timberline are getting fresh snow.
While not as expansive as Meadows, the upper bowls at Skibowl are longer than Meadows` Bowls but not quite as steep. What is nice about the upper bowls at Skibowl is they all funnel you right down to the lift and warming hut. Lap the bowls for an hour, ride up to the warming hut and grab a beer by the fire, then go back for more. Skibowl on a powder night is really unbeatable. During the day, the Outback is a free ride utopia if you like a combination of open bowls, chutes, cliffs and trees. Depending on how far north you want to go, you will have to hike a bit to get to the final drop, but the views on a clear day make it more than worth it. You can see Hood, Jefferson, St. Helen's, Adams and Rainier from the top of Tom Dick and Harry mountain. There is a terrific series of chutes out there ranging from easy to highly technical
I wish that the three ski areas could all sit down and agree to offer a true Mt. Hood Fusion Pass that gives full access to all three resorts similar to the Epic Pass in Colorado that gives you access to all Summit County resorts. For years, there has been talk about a tram from government camp to timberline to replace that old Skiway Tram:
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This old newsreel video of this thing is awesome:
In addition, there has been talk about a tram linking Timberline lodge to Vista Ridge at Meadows. This would make Mt. Hood a truly epic destination resort area and even though it would attract more visitors overall, I think it would reduce the shit show that Meadows becomes on peak days by giving people the option to spread out without having to buy a lift ticket at one resort when they have a pass at another.
I don`t know where the obstructionism to these concepts is coming from. I have heard rumors that it is the shareholders of Meadows that will not go in on a three way pass and I have heard rumors that it is RLK Corporation that does not want to include Meadows. As for the tram and overall development of Government camp, I have heard there is a lot of resistance from the local people who don`t want it to turn into a major shit show like Whistler and then there is the whole USFS issue since White River Canyon is technically withing the Mt. Hood Wilderness Area and a tram violates the wilderness ethos. Weather would also have to be a huge factor. I can see how maintaining a tram in safe operating order over that canyon and on Vista Ridge would be next to impossible with the fierce PNW storm we get on Hood.
Still, we need to get a three way Fusion Pass approved by all resorts somehow!
Ya I've wanted to take those trails. Which one is which? I know of the one at the bottom of Jeff flood.Yep! That thing left from what is now the Huckleberry Inn in Government Camp. The Alpine Trail from Timberline goes right down the clearing that thing used. In summer, you can see the old concrete footings used for the towers. Before it gets too late, I need to take you down the Glade and Alpine trails. Leave one of our rigs at Huck`s and then drive up to Tline.
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