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Hi all

title says it all really.
Im going on my first now boarding trip to Japan in late Feb early March, and am looking at buying my first lot of gear.

I have just bought my pants online. I got the Burton 2012 Cargo.
I think i made a good choice there.

Looking into all the other gear i need to buy i may need a little help.
Im not a huge fan of the big massive snowboarding jackets.
Can i get a soft-shell jacket like this?https://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/BUJKMN2M1/title/burton--men-s-softshell-hoodie

Its just an example. But i was wondering how something like this would hold up as the outer layer?

Base layer, i have read a lot about merino wool. Does anyone have any other suggestions for this?
Maybe brands and types that would be great

I was thinking about this sort of set up but not sure if it is recommended as i have never been to the snow before.
If anyone can point me in the right direction of what i should be looking at per layer, that would be great.

Base layer: merino wool, thermals???
Mid Layer: maybe a fleece hoodie or jumper???
SoftShell: jacket like listed above???

thanks all for reading and hope to get some great advice.
 

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Softshells are more like a glorified sweater kind of. Get a proper jacket. Look for a high waterproof/breathability rating of at least 10,000/10,000 if you plan to ride for a few hours and take a lunch break. But I'd recommend at least 15k for better performance, and 20k or higher if you plan to do some hiking.
You got a good plan for base and mid layers so I'd say look for a shell instead of an insulated jacket. Not sure if places like WhiskeyMilitia.com would ship to you but look for places selling least years gear since it will be way cheaper.
 

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Not sure how the snow is in Japan, but here in CO I wear a softshell 95% of the time. You don't need great waterproofing here. I've done a lot of riding in 5k pants. I think my softshell is rated at 8k. If you're out there rolling around in the shit then you're doing it wrong.
 

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Japan is a marine environment. You'll want a proper jacket. 10,000mm waterproof should be good enough. If you don't want a bulky jacket, get a shell jacket. Which it looks like you are doing with all that plan for layering. Also, you can find slimmer fitting jackets out there. There is probably a thread on it somewhere on this site.

My advice about base layers: Get a onesie. It'll be a lifesaver if you are new, because you'll be falling on your butt a lot. When I was new, Even thought I had a powder skirt, there would still be some snow getting up under my shirt and on my back. If Merino wool is your bag, they have onesie Merino wool base layers, like the Airblaster Ninja suit.

grab any random fleece out of your closet if you think you'll need a mid layer that day.

Cheers!
 

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Yes, most of Japan is maritime. But is is a cold maritime - especially during peak season (Jan-Feb in Hokkaido) when it is generally overcast, slopeside temperatures are predominantly below 20 all day (sometimes single digits) and much lower at night. As a result, conditions are generally pretty 'dry' and high-end waterproofing not required.

That said, there is so much powder that one gets pretty much covered in it, so some proofing is helpful - 10k is plenty, especially for resort riding.
 

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I recommend going oversized with a pow skirt....meaning in a jacket you want to be able to raise your arms over your head without the arms, back or stomach becoming exposed. Ime...you want loose to be able to move around, even swimming in the deep without any snow getting in.

Ime, softshells don't breathe very well and often not set up for air flow with pit zips and the like...I get waay overheated and sweat my arse off...which is bad when it gets cold. In a sense a gortex technical shell is pretty adaptive to more different activities and environments than a soft shell...thus if ur shelling out some coin, get something that is adaptable to wind, wet, dry and deep. Around here in pnw...the wet side...20k is min and 30-40k is best.
 

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Marino wool base layers (including socks). IMO nothing beats that. I wouldn't use a hoodie for a mid layer because the hood will do nothing but get in your way. I prefer a thin prima loft or down vest as a mid layer because it keeps me warm and doesn't restrict arms.

Invest in a high quality shell. Waterproof and breathable.

Finally get two pairs of gloves. One for warmer days i.e. gloves allowing high mobility for fingers (nothing beats Heastra in that department), and a pair of mitts for cold days.
 

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I like at least 10k/10k gear. I hate that clammy feeling so much. The jacket just looks nicer when it's a higher quality. You can pickup some nice jackets for cheap on geartrade.
I like the merino wool stuff a lot but it can be pretty pricey.
derailed has some icebreakers stuff that's ok.
 

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Sweet. I didn't know about geartrade. That's a good one!

So I'm getting mixed feedback about jackets. I guess it's just personal preference?

How do I figure out what size board I need also and what type?
I'm about 175cm 5 ft 9
And 100kg
Foot size is 10.5us

Just curious so I can keep an eye out
 

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Sweet. I didn't know about geartrade. That's a good one!

So I'm getting mixed feedback about jackets. I guess it's just personal preference?

How do I figure out what size board I need also and what type?
I'm about 175cm 5 ft 9
And 100kg
Foot size is 10.5us

Just curious so I can keep an eye out
When it comes to choosing a shell or jacket with insulation its personal preference. When it comes the the rate of waterproof/breathability it's not preference but how much you willing to compromise. For me when it comes to breathability I won't compromise so I only go with 20k plus or goretex. With high ratings of breath ability in shells usually comes high waterproofing. For the few days it starts to rain or turn slush, I choose not to get wet.

I guess you could say it comes down to personal preference of what you are willing to compromise.
 

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In my opinion people that think 5k is good enough have not tried a 20k jacket. I cannot go back to under 20k, just so much warmer and drier.
 

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In my opinion people that think 5k is good enough have not tried a 20k jacket. I cannot go back to under 20k, just so much warmer and drier.
^ This times 1 million.
I am setting up with a 20k/10k 3L laminate SAILING/RAIN GEAR hard shell until I can pick up a real snow jacket because I can not bear the thought of crawling into my 5k Burton jacket with cheap-o 40g insulation...unless its on the subway or my coffin.
 

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^ This times 1 million.
I am setting up with a 20k/10k 3L laminate SAILING/RAIN GEAR hard shell until I can pick up a real snow jacket because I can not bear the thought of crawling into my 5k Burton jacket with cheap-o 40g insulation...unless its on the subway or my coffin.
What kind of sailing do you do?

I sometimes use my goretex boarding shells on keelboats.
 

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I don't really sail but I fish a lot. Fall Stripers and Blues are my jam!

I don't think I could actually drive a boat though!

The jacket I use on the water is really really nice. There may be days where it will be too cold for it on the mountain. But it made me realize the best policy for snow outwear is pay for the best waterproof/breath-ability technical gear you can afford.

What kind of sailing do you do?

I sometimes use my goretex boarding shells on keelboats.
 

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I've been going to Hokkaido for the past 7 years and in my experience a good hard shell (gore tex, eVent etc.) is best. Hokkaido is definitely wet and I would say that out of those 7 trips, 5 of them have seen non-stop snow over 10-14 day periods. Don't cheap out on your outerwear for Hokkaido and get a good pair of gloves too. I'm just guessing from what you've said but if you're a noob you may be either digging yourself out of powder pits because your mates think its fun to take you through the trees or out of bounds or just sat on your butt because youve fallen for the 10th time in an hour. You will thank your expensive hard shell when that happens :)
 
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