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Advanced rider 6’5” 175lbs 12 boots based in Salt Lake City.
Looking for a bord that best suits the following:

  • Can handle deep powder with EASE (ride Utah all season, occasional trip to Japan). Some serious float needed.
  • Handles tracked powder really well (let’s face it, after 2 hours the entire resort is tracked).
  • Nimble enough to not be a chore in trees.
  • Can carve well on piste.
  • Can charge with enough stability yet be fun.

Ideally I would like the float of a Mind Expander, carving of a Korua, charging ability of a Jones Flagship, and fun/agility of a short board. That board does not exist but I am looking at the best compromise.

Had a 164W XV: too big and stiff to be fun, and not nimble but great for my other criteria
Had a Salomon Super 8 160: more nimble, good charger and carver, but definitely not enough float
Currently have a Salomon HPS Taka 158. Love the tapper and set back, driving it from the back foot. Great float, nimble and fun. But carving is passable, and it’s a little too soft to be stable while charging.

Looking at replacing the Taka with something similar in spec (mid-wide to wide, on the shorter side with tapper and setback) but with a little more carving and charging capability without taking away the fun and agility.

What I look at:
  • The new K2 Excavator in 154 or 158
  • Lib Tech Orca in 153 or 156
  • Rome Stalefish 157 (might be just exactly like my Taka meaning a tad not enough agressive to charge/carve well)
  • Dart 160. Looks great for pow and carving, but can it charge through tracked snow being a swallow tail? Thegoodride says it needs to be riden from the front, I like to ride with the backfoot.
  • Salomon Dancehaul 157 but not a fan of centered stance.

Opinions?
 

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Have you had a look at the Amplid Surfari?

Great board, haven't had the chance to ride it in deep pow but have no doubt it ticks most of what you've asked.

The antiphase should help with tracked out pow and reduces any chatter coming through and holds an edge.no problems.
 

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It looks like a great board but probably won’t work:

- tail width is not enough for size 12 boots. The 161 which is their biggest size (and likely too big for me) has the same tail width of my Taka, which gives me drag when laying it. the shorter size is even worst
Also it costs an arm and not widely available in the US but that’s secondary.

Interestingly, it looks a lot like some of the boards I listed (particularly the excavator which is wider though).
 

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Advanced rider 6’5” 175lbs 12 boots based in Salt Lake City.
Looking for a bord that best suits the following:

  • Can handle deep powder with EASE (ride Utah all season, occasional trip to Japan). Some serious float needed.
  • Handles tracked powder really well (let’s face it, after 2 hours the entire resort is tracked).
  • Nimble enough to not be a chore in trees.
  • Can carve well on piste.
  • Can charge with enough stability yet be fun.

Ideally I would like the float of a Mind Expander, carving of a Korua, charging ability of a Jones Flagship, and fun/agility of a short board. That board does not exist but I am looking at the best compromise.

Had a 164W XV: too big and stiff to be fun, and not nimble but great for my other criteria
Had a Salomon Super 8 160: more nimble, good charger and carver, but definitely not enough float
Currently have a Salomon HPS Taka 158. Love the tapper and set back, driving it from the back foot. Great float, nimble and fun. But carving is passable, and it’s a little too soft to be stable while charging.

Looking at replacing the Taka with something similar in spec (mid-wide to wide, on the shorter side with tapper and setback) but with a little more carving and charging capability without taking away the fun and agility.

What I look at:
  • The new K2 Excavator in 154 or 158
  • Lib Tech Orca in 153 or 156
  • Rome Stalefish 157 (might be just exactly like my Taka meaning a tad not enough agressive to charge/carve well)
  • Dart 160. Looks great for pow and carving, but can it charge through tracked snow being a swallow tail? Thegoodride says it needs to be riden from the front, I like to ride with the backfoot.
  • Salomon Dancehaul 157 but not a fan of centered stance.

Opinions?
My immediate thought was the Salomon x Asmo HPS 157 (now the Salomon Wolle Nyvelt, I think), which probably isn't too far off of the Taka. I was riding mine at 215ish and it has a massive WW with a good bit of setback. It has amazing float and is fun to carve with on groomers. I'm not sure on the tracked conditions. I know a few who swear it's one of the best boards they've been on, but I ended up getting off of mine after a couple of runs because of how much it bucked me. BUT, that's in the heavy, wet conditions at The Summit at Snoqualmie. I can easily see how if it was riding the dry, soft powder it would be incredible. Avran's review from Colorado said he had no problem with tracked out crud. The Good Ride said they wouldn't ride it in tight bumps, but I had no trouble navigating moguls. I had one day in more dry powder and it was so much fun, but that was untouched stuff that was a bit drier. I ended up trading it away.

For now, the board I ride in those tracked conditions is the Amplid Surfari 161. It's unsinkable in deep powder and incredibly stable. It's fine on a carve, but not incredible. I haven't had it in tight trees but I wouldn't mind taking it in.

Wish I could comment on the Dart. I know a few who swear by it and would ride it in all of the conditions you're looking for.
 

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My immediate thought was the Salomon x Asmo HPS 157 (now the Salomon Wolle Nyvelt, I think), which probably isn't too far off of the Taka. I was riding mine at 215ish and it has a massive WW with a good bit of setback. It has amazing float and is fun to carve with on groomers. I'm not sure on the tracked conditions. I know a few who swear it's one of the best boards they've been on, but I ended up getting off of mine after a couple of runs because of how much it bucked me. BUT, that's in the heavy, wet conditions at The Summit at Snoqualmie. I can easily see how if it was riding the dry, soft powder it would be incredible. Avran's review from Colorado said he had no problem with tracked out crud. The Good Ride said they wouldn't ride it in tight bumps, but I had no trouble navigating moguls. I had one day in more dry powder and it was so much fun, but that was untouched stuff that was a bit drier. I ended up trading it away.

For now, the board I ride in those tracked conditions is the Amplid Surfari 161. It's unsinkable in deep powder and incredibly stable. It's fine on a carve, but not incredible. I haven't had it in tight trees but I wouldn't mind taking it in.

Wish I could comment on the Dart. I know a few who swear by it and would ride it in all of the conditions you're looking for.
Interesting, what’s your weight size and boot size? I thought about that one because at first it looks like the Taka but stiffer, but ruled it out because of how mega massive it is. I mean 20mm more width in both the nose and tail compared to my Taka looks like it will be a chore especially in trees, which thegoodride review seemed to confirm.
I would love to try it but I am reluctant to buy it as I could bet it’s gonna be too wide to be fun and agile.
 

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10.5 boot

I had no issues with feeling like it was slow edge to edge.
They can be found used around 300-350 if you want to try one and sell it if you don't like it.

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Can handle deep powder with EASE (ride Utah all season, occasional trip to Japan). Some serious float needed.
  • Handles tracked powder really well (let’s face it, after 2 hours the entire resort is tracked).
  • Nimble enough to not be a chore in trees.
  • Can carve well on piste.
  • Can charge with enough stability yet be fun.

Ideally I would like the float of a Mind Expander, carving of a Korua, charging ability of a Jones Flagship, and fun/agility of a short board. That board does not exist but I am looking at the best compromise.
Not sure about the Utha part as I've never ridden there and thus don't know the terrain/type of snow, but all the other requirements of your list would be matched by Nidecker Mellow.

It's the board I got for hubby when he wanted something more nimble after riding a Jones Carbon Flagship for years in all conditions/trips. I don't remember him using the Jones even once last season... It's two years since, but lots of forum veterans gave their recommendations then who may not be active right now. You may find some ideas in that thread, too: Quiver pow board for aggressive rider
 

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Not sure about the Utha part as I've never ridden there and thus don't know the terrain/type of snow, but all the other requirements of your list would be matched by Nidecker Mellow.

It's the board I got for hubby when he wanted something more nimble after riding a Jones Carbon Flagship for years in all conditions/trips. I don't remember him using the Jones even once last season...
That's a fun looking board that Nidecker Mellow, damn you @neni :LOL:
 

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I have nearly pulled the trigger on a Mellow SO many times. Nearly bought one from a local last week that I got a pair of bindings from. He was more into party boards, but said the Mellow was a great all arounder.

@neni How is it with deep powder?

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I have nearly pulled the trigger on a Mellow SO many times. Nearly bought one from a local last week that I got a pair of bindings from. He was more into party boards, but said the Mellow was a great all arounder.

@neni How is it with deep powder?

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Define "deep" :)

We had some days with knee to thigh deep snow, enough to have upper mountain closed due to avy danger, so only runs below treeline were open. The 160 Mellow surely floats the old man better than the 164 Flgship. And I never heard him complaining. He really liked it's nimblemess in trees, but also took it to the climbs for steep chute riding.
 

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Don’t think you can leave the Yes Optimistic/Y out on this one. The Moon Buggy from Burton wasn’t bad. It has float and can be carved and it’s wide but agile, and that’s with size 9,5. Bit weak nose, but that’s fine for carving. Maybe it’s too long? Gentemstick has some nice wide ones, but probably too expensive then. Moss Fluffy or U4 half could work, same price issue though. The Furberg boards are pretty nimble, and the biggest size could work, but they need soft snow, or at least they did until next seasons (and I’m not sure if it’s just one model or all), and not everyone can carve them anyways. If you can deal with the sidecut, you will lay some deep carves. They are boards where you want a loaded backfoot for carving at least. New Stranda Shorty 164 wide is pretty spot on.
 

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Thanks all for some great recommendations that I am currently researching.
However did anyone tried/compare some of the boards I listed? Would love to see a report from someone who tried the orca, stalefish and dancehaul for example.
 

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Thanks all for some great recommendations that I am currently researching.
However did anyone tried/compare some of the boards I listed? Would love to see a report from someone who tried the orca, stalefish and dancehaul for example.
Those and the excavator are pretty much the same board. Pick the graphics or image you like best.
 

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Thanks all for some great recommendations that I am currently researching.
However did anyone tried/compare some of the boards I listed? Would love to see a report from someone who tried the orca, stalefish and dancehaul for example.
From the boards listed here I’ve owned the XV and the Optimistic. My friends who are also gear whores own the Dart, the Surfari, the Simple Pleasures, the new Flagship, the Dancehaul, the Pyre and the Orca and I had a chance to ride them more or less extensively as well so I can help with comparing these.

Since you want something that carves well on piste you can already drop the idea of the CRC Orca.
If you want a Lib, I’d look at the Gremlin (I’ve not ridden that one but it looks like a cambered Orca). @snow & pow adventures can help extensively with the Orca vs Dart, he does a lot of freeriding like that.

For the Dancehaul’s feedback @Phedder nailed it imo with the review in the board review section on this forum and @drblast can help you with the Stale Fish.
 

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The Stalefish is the best board I've ridden for having fun in deep powder but not having to put it away when things get tracked out. It depends what you mean by "charging" but mine handles my typical high speeds (45-50mph) just fine. I love carving on it. 6'3", 200lbs on a 157.

I'd also consider the Yes Optimistic if you want something extra beefy. Optimistic is a stiff, hard charging board and rails turns, also really good in powder. Due to the stiffness it's less fun than the Stalefish on tracked out groomers and if you do freestyle things, but if you want a powder board that's also a hard-charging freeride board look no further.
 
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