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hello everyone.
i am currently looking for a powder board (on a budget) and based on what i read i think i have restricted my choice to these two boards.

i will be using it on the italian alps, so not a lot of powder and usually quite wet and heavy.

i am 6"2 and 185lbs, and i currenlty own a twin tip volkl vice sqd 159.
should i get the salomon, i think i would buy the 163, but what about the charlie?
should i go with the 164 as well? if this is the case i think i can get a good deal on this year's model. otherwise i can maybe think of next year's 161?

i have seen a 2012 powder snake online @ 240 €: is it very different from this year's model? this might be a killer deal i think.

lastly: up until now i have always ridden a twin stance (12/-12) but with this deck i would like to try a more directional one.
i am a bit scared of going fully directional though: might be something like 21/-6 a good starting point?
 

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Both are great boards so you can't really go wrong.

As for stance, I would start with +18/-9. That way you don't have too much of a weird feeling and see how you like it. I found that for powder and freeriding the angle don't have to be crazy directional. Have fun trying!
 

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hi basti
thanks for the kind reply.

in your opinion, what size would suit me the best?
i am 85 kg. for example the snake 160 is suggested up to 90 kg, but i am trying to find the right balance between float and manoeuvrability...
 

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hi ETM, thanks!
yes, i think so. in fact, i currently ride a 159.
my doubt is if i'd better go with the 163 (or charlie 164), instead.
would it be difficult to turn in the trees?
 

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Ride your stance where you want it not where you think you should because of the type of board. I ride all decks 18 negative 15 regardless of shape, camber, or style.

I've ridden the 63 Powder Snake before it's fun, nimble, and crushes pow. You're bigger than I am so I wouldn't think it would be an issue.
 

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hi ETM, thanks!
yes, i think so. in fact, i currently ride a 159.
my doubt is if i'd better go with the 163 (or charlie 164), instead.
would it be difficult to turn in the trees?
Im 6 foot 3 and ride full throttle through trees on a 180 so if you ask me a 164 is still nothing lol. Easily managable in trees
 

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Ride your stance where you want it not where you think you should because of the type of board. I ride all decks 18 negative 15 regardless of shape, camber, or style.

I've ridden the 63 Powder Snake before it's fun, nimble, and crushes pow. You're bigger than I am so I wouldn't think it would be an issue.
thanks!
your review is one of the main reasons i am considering this board.
i guess i will go bigger, than. after all, this will be primarily a powder board for me, so probably there is no point in downsizing.

as for the stance, it is actually my coach who suggested a more positive stance for pow riding.
but i have never actually tried. also, consider this is just my seconde seasons of snowboarding.
i can go basically anywhere with good confidence, but i still struggle when there is more than 1" of fresh powder. even if it is sooo addictive!
 

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Ride your stance where you want it not where you think you should because of the type of board. I ride all decks 18 negative 15 regardless of shape, camber, or style.

I've ridden the 63 Powder Snake before it's fun, nimble, and crushes pow. You're bigger than I am so I wouldn't think it would be an issue.
your "coach" sounds a bit suss if hes saying that.
i don't know.
he's a certified trainer with 15 years of experience. and he can of course rip it with any stance and any board (hardboots included).
in any case, i will give it a try: i always thought with a slightly directional stance would be a bit easier to steer the board with the back foot, and should make pointing straight downhill a bit easier.

out of curiosity: what is your stance? i have watched with admiration and envy many of the vids you recently posted, but i could not tell.
 

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Your coach is a fucking moron and you can tell him I said that. Don't ever change your bodies alignment because some guy that thinks he knows all says so.
probably you might just as well disagree without namecalling someone you don't know or never spoke to, don't you think? ;)
besides, to my knowledge it is not at all uncommon, at least here in italy, using slightly different stances for different set-ups.
 

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you can set your bindings back a bit on the board to help w/ float but i've never heard of opening the stance angle for powder. i could be wrong about that though. i think the point here is do what you feel is right. play around w/ it but i agree...no need to go crazy open for riding powder.
 

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probably you might just as well disagree without namecalling someone you don't know or never spoke to, don't you think? ;)
besides, to my knowledge it is not at all uncommon, at least here in italy, using slightly different stances for different set-ups.

Ciao Spino.

I change my setup too depending on conditions, but more the angles than the stance. I 'm always positive (21/15 for carving or 15/9 on a really deep day).
as for stance I generally use the mid points of the board. Never paid too much attention to that since I don't do jumps or park.

Stammi bene!

Paolo
 

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Just to clarify a few things.
First off: my coach never implied that it is NECESSARY to change the stance angles (as changing width is not even an option).
He just suggested that, since I never tried nothing but a symmetrical stance, for a more "freeride" approach I might try something a bit more directional, but still duck.
In fact, since I am still basically a noob, I find that leaning back, on a true twin and in rather deep pow (2"plus), is not very easy: I tend to lose my balance a bit either left or right which often cause me to fall.
I think that something like a 18/-6 stance might help me keep my balance as I open my torso towards the fall line a bit more than usual in pow.

Finally, I am more than aware that I am a victim of the gear acquisition syndrome, and at this point my technique is holding me back much more than my equipment.
But my long time goal is one (or more) trip to Canada and/or Japan, so at some point I will want a real pow board.

And seeing the chance of a good deal on a powder snake is just a big temptation: if is still available (and maybe a bit cheaper still) I might treat me to one for my birthday.

I hope I made myself clear enough, but as you can imagine English is not my mother tongue.

Thanks everyone for the replies.
 

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ok not sure if i'm missing something here but set your bindings back a bit so that your nose is longer than your tail of the board. this will help the leaning back issue you're having as you won't have to feel like youre leaning back when the setup is doing that for you. when there's no powder...center the bindings back up.
 

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Don't worry, your English is fine ;).

Just to clarify one thing: Leaning back is a misleading term when it comes to pow riding. You want to shift your center to the tail but not by leaning back but by shifting your upper body and knees so you still have control when turning. Not that this has a lot to do with the topic.

Regardless, I totally get you would want a pow board. I have one that I can't use very often. But when I do I feel like it's totally worth it every time.
 

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ok not sure if i'm missing something here but set your bindings back a bit so that your nose is longer than your tail of the board. this will help the leaning back issue you're having as you won't have to feel like youre leaning back when the setup is doing that for you. when there's no powder...center the bindings back up.
i think you're not missing anything.
the problem is that so far i have never tried setting back the binding either. i have always ridden center stance and symmetrical: obviously not ideal for pow, especially if you are not so skilled yet.
anyway, even if i am not the most experienced rider, i think i have quite a good knowledge of technique: what i still need is a LOT of practice. :D

But in any case, even if it derailed into a stance/setback discussion, i basically opened this thread to have some feedback on a potential pow stick that might calm my board lust. :yahoo:
 
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