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Burton moto was first boot. Bought it without knowing anything about boots about 6 years ago. Back then they still had the older style of laces that you stashed into little pockets on the side of the boot. The served me great, but last winter the laces started to tear so it was time to upgrade.

At the very end of the season I bought k2 raiders. The main reason for picking that boot was boa lacing. The problem is... I just can't turn in them... I know funny... I mean I can turn but it's a very soft turn, can't do anything sharp...

I ride colorado blues and blacks, just started having fun raiding in the forest so I thought I know how to ride... I guess not :)

I tried adjusting binding angles but it didn't help much and I'm not exactly sure what the problem is so was hoping for bit of help from you guys :confused:

I think the main difference between the two boots is the lacing. Motos were dual zone. Completely separate lacing for top and bottom of the shell and... I think they were bit softer, but that might be because they were worn in...

K2 raider is a single boa so it's either very stiff or very loose, you can't make it stiff at the foot and looser at the ankle. When I was riding it I couldn't bend my ankles, and I'm thinking this is why I couldn't turn... :dunno:

I don't ride park, like riding fast and now forest, and keep my bindings around +30 -15.

I'm now thinking about dc judges... because of dual zone boas...

What's you feeling about the whole topic? Is k2 raider a bad boot? Or am I just used to a looser boots? Will judge we better, or should I scrap the boa lacing idea and go for something else?

What's your experience from riding different boots? (softer, stiffer, boa, single, dual lacing) What's your preferred boot type and why?
 

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Unusual problem - stiffer boots typically make easier for people to turn, not harder.

Also, not sure I understand your binding angles - are you saying that the combined angle between the two bindings is 45 degrees!? General recommendation is not to exceed 30-35 degrees...
 

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I used to ride in a forward stance for few years at the beginning (like +36/+6 or something), and then I started experimenting with duck stance, but still keep it forward oriented. Maybe that's the reason for the weird angles. I don't have a problem with experimenting with various angles if something feels off, but we're in the middle of summer so that will have to wait :)

edit: Actually I just tried to stand in my board bare foot and it does feel wide... it's probably something weird I was trying with the new board. Don't remember what I was using before... maybe something like +21/-9

Boot sales are now so wanted to pick something up before the season starts.

I self learned to ride so maybe I am doing something weird :) but guys that ride in the park keep it loosy gusy, and they have to make some sharp turns, right?
 

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So... Did anyone notice any big changes in how you ride after buying a new boot?
 

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I did. I went from having miserable feet that made riding difficult, to having feet that liked me again, which made riding sooo much easier. :)
 

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Ha! Good for you NW!

I actually found my old boots, I thought I threw them away. I put moto on one foot and k2 raider on the other and strapped myself into board. (Wife looked at me weirdly, but anyway :) ) Moto definitely bit looser, bit less heel hold, half a size bigger than k2, but not as much difference as I expected. The difference riding on the mountain was huge...

Pretty confused here... Maybe someone who rides in the park a lot could describe what a softer boot does for him? Do you have a stiffer boots for riding on the mountain?
 

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I've been googling... So I guess stiffer boots are supposed to give better stability and softer boots better maneuverability. The motos are rated at 3 so that's as soft as it gets... k2 raiders are supposed to be just a tad stiffer, but maybe that single boa makes it tighter around the top of the boot.

Anyone knows if burton ambush is much stiffer then motos? They're rated at 5, but still are "The Good Ride Favorite Freestyle to Jib Boots". Never tried tried traditional laces, but they do look like too much work and I usually ride with skiers, so would probably prefer dual boas or speed laces.

Going by the reviews on good ride thinking about trying Burton Ambush? Any other soft boots people like?
 

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A lower angle on your front foot is going to help you initiate turns better, try +15/-15 as a starting point.

Look at your stance width also, should be about shoulder width apart. Too narrow a stance will make turning more difficult.

Your boots have nothing to do with the problems your having.
 

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I didn't have that problem with my older boots and I was trying various angles for last 2 days of our trip to colorado. I could turn, but it was hard and no fun... Are you saying that my sloppy boots allowed for sloppy technique and I have to relearn how to snowboard?
 

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voy78 I didn't have that problem with my older boots and I was trying various angles for last 2 days of our trip to colorado. I could turn, but it was hard and no fun... Are you saying that my sloppy boots allowed for sloppy technique and I have to relearn how to snowboard?
Well I can say that if you give me a pair of boots from any Mfg. that are a size to small or a size to big, that I would still be able to turn my board with no problems.

As far as relearning I don't know, but sloppy or tight boots are not going to prevent you from turning.
 

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I guess I hold on to those boots for now till I can figure out what exactly the problem is. Hopefully winter will come early. Thanks.
 

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... Are you saying that I have to relearn how to snowboard?
Ya pretty much, but chances are you aren't very LEARNED yet so instead of rebreaking the bone you could probably just get your head out of your ass, put some proper angles on your bindings, get some boots that fit, and get better at riding :cheeky4:

Mystery solved.
 
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