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The good parts:

Love, love how it rides. Came from a burton custome camber. Took a day to get used to the rocker but it was well worth it. All the hype is true: easy to lift in powder, switches/turns beautifully, magnatraction keeps you on your line.

If it wasn't for what I'm about to write below I'd be a live-long lib tech buyer

The bad bits:

The bio bean top sheet is terrible. It gets cut to ribbons by anything that touches it. It's too soft. You're left with chunks missing and sharp burs. Actually ruined my new gloves, all the nicks ripped my gloves carrying the board around (maybe the only thing softer than the top sheet is your gloves and jacket that it'll rip holes in.

Even worse, the core snapped at the nose. Note sure which happened first, the break in the core or the creases in the top sheet - which could have lead to weakening the compressive strength.

End result:

I don't trust bio bean top sheets. Not sure i want another LT board because of this. Which is a shame because I was loving it.

Not idea if the nose/core snapping was a bad piece of wood or a reflection of all their boards. The skunk ape HP is meant to be for big guys, I'm not good enough to b jumping off mountains, I'm on piste and popping a few basic tricks - there's no reason this plank should have snapped.

I'll post a pic when I figure out how to
 

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I'm not trying to defend Lib, no one makes a perfect product. But seems like no boards could hold up to the abuse your putting them thru. Nicks in the topsheet are normal for any board, if you had burrs you could have cut em off. And there is no core in the tips and tails of Libs boards. So if you snapped it before the curve on the nose you may have core damage, but the way you described it sounds like not.
To post a pic host it somewhere else like flicker then post like this

I'm curious to see what your actually talking about.
 

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Thanks for the reply, I think you might have misread what I've used it for. This happened 4 days into first using it. I ride on pisted blues. Not good enough to be doing anything crazy.

Regarding the burrs. My last board was in better topsheetcondition after 10 weeks of use. Yes i could have cut the burrs off (and carried a knife with me), but my board would like my board was used as a chew toy for a shark. The bio beans doesn't seems like a suitable material for general commercial use.

Also not having an edge around the nose is a let down, I got a massive gash in base at the nose when I clipped someone's ski.
 

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Thanks for the reply, I think you might have misread what I've used it for. This happened 4 days into first using it. I ride on pisted blues. Not good enough to be doing anything crazy.

Regarding the burrs. My last board was in better topsheetcondition after 10 weeks of use. Yes i could have cut the burrs off (and carried a knife with me), but my board would like my board was used as a chew toy for a shark. The bio beans doesn't seems like a suitable material for general commercial use.

Also not having an edge around the nose is a let down, I got a massive gash in base at the nose when I clipped someone's ski.
4 days into it, contact Mervin right away. Their customer service as awesome and they will probably ship you a new board right away.

Not having a wrap around edge is good, You would be paying more to fix it if you bent the edge when you hit that skier. That gash is easy and cheap to fix, if you hit hard enough to make a big gash you probably would have caved in the edge. Again a pic would help tons.
And you have a knife at home do you not?
I have honestly have not really heard anything good or bad about the bio beans topsheet. But I trust Mervin knows what they are doing with their technology.
 

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4 days into it, contact Mervin right away. Their customer service as awesome and they will probably ship you a new board right away.

Not having a wrap around edge is good, You would be paying more to fix it if you bent the edge when you hit that skier. That gash is easy and cheap to fix, if you hit hard enough to make a big gash you probably would have caved in the edge. Again a pic would help tons.
And you have a knife at home do you not?
I have honestly have not really heard anything good or bad about the bio beans topsheet. But I trust Mervin knows what they are doing with their technology.
Skier slid into my nose waiting on the lift. Yes I could cut the burs out but it'll leave it looking like crap. My comparison is that I didn't have this experience with the top sheet on my last board, or from any of my friends boards during the holiday. As we all had to put up with bashing boards against pushy French skiers but my board comes out looking like its been in a fight with Freddie Kruger.


I've emailed lib tech. Told them about my experience. That've taken it to my local store where I bought it (who are returning it to LT for me).

Of the two bad things, I'd like to split them up and view them like this.

  • The 'snap'/crease or whatever happened to the nose is just a defect and not a fair representation of their builds.
  • the softness / burrs in the bio beans top sheet is because they aren't as tough as a typical board and I should look at a LT board with a standard finish (e.g. The normal skunk ape)

More than happy to try another one of their boards as they ride great.
 

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Woah those pics are fucked up. Definitely seems like a manufacturing flaw or something. Hope it all works out good for you.
I have a lib from 07 with the golden fleece topsheet and there is almost no damage to it. Just had a bit of delamming on the tail from slamming on it and a few tiny chips on the topsheet.
 

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Glad it sounds like a fault and not the norm. Want to love their boards.

Should have taken a pic from the side that shows the layers separating (I.e. th gap forming between the top sheet and the gap forming between the bottom and middle sheet.)
 

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I agree the boards are weaker than average. Mine got a split that propogated a long way compared to a board with fibreglass, plastic top sheet and steel edge.



 

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I actually have found mine to be surprisingly weak too. I didn't get major damage like you, but strands keep ripping along the edge and there is a small chunk missing, exposing the fibers. That was after like 3 days of use on blues, never hit any rocks or anything. I'm not sure if it's something that should be repaired. Mine is a TRS, without the bio-plastic topsheet.

http://i.imgur.com/XUV1lT0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4ziS44r.jpg
 

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Wow. Thanks guys. These are exactly what the sides of mine look like too.

EMT ive got the exact same as yours on my nose where the edge would normally be on the base/bottom side. It was getting worse as ice got in it. That was from a ski edge just from contact in the lift queue.

Im not overly precious about my boards but I don't think they should be looking like thisafter a few days. Especially as they're not low-end. Mine £630 (GBP), whereas my old burton custom was showing less damage and holding up better after 4 years and was only $450 (USD) - which is half as much.

I'll keep you posted about what LT say about mine and the softer top sheets
 

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Im not precious either, a snowboard is a tool for me to tear down a mountain but like you said it just happens way too easily on libs. Mine had like 3 days on it when that happened. I will just epoxy it back down.
 

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Im not precious either, a snowboard is a tool for me to tear down a mountain but like you said it just happens way too easily on libs. Mine had like 3 days on it when that happened. I will just epoxy it back down.

A local store stuck it back down for me.

What concerns me is if someone boards or skis over the top of it, it's going to peel like an orange.
 

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Haha, same to me .., I only rode it ONE on blue trail, nothing serious , no jumb , I sold it the next day .., hope they make better quality board ,,, but just the same :)
 

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i happen to like the ride of Mervin's decks, but I also agree that not having steel around the tip and tail sucks..my Gnu DK has a bunch of top sheet splits and cracks where normally the steel edge wouldve protected it..It has less days than my Evo and considerably more damage to the tip and tail.
My friend bought a Gnu Carbon Credit and believe me, he is barely able to make it down the mountain, let alone beat the deck up...and yet, after his 2nd run, he had a similar crack in the tip of his board. Totally bummed him out cause he was really stoked on his new deck.
I was debating an LT board for next season but I think im gonna stick with NS... I already know I love the camber profile and it's held up exceedingly well. The better I've gotten, the more I beat the crap out of it, the better it actually feels.
 

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Are the boards you mention above the same bio beans / balsalt surface?

I spoke with the jus at LT. They're going to replace my board because of the nose break/crease. I said I don't want another horse power (bio bean top sheet) as I don't trust their strength. So I'm getting a normal skunk ape (not the horse power).

They (LT) said they haven't heard or had any feedback that the top sheets are softer or more easily damaged than a normal board.

I guess if we don't bring it to their attention in numbers they'll not know. I'd suggest - even if you're not looking at a replacement - to contact them with your experience. Their customer service has been amaZing so I'm sure they'll listen to us
 

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actually, both boards im talking about have normal top sheets..the carbon credit is a glossy top sheet, and the DK i have is from 2009..full rockered. its a BTX deck. It was pretty mint before I used it, and I think I only put maybe 4 or 5 days on it before I got my evo and the DK has been hanging on my wall ever since.
 
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