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FSM damned ginger. He touched the wall with his hands for a split second. Not a 100! Damn sellout.
 

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Seems to me that ESPN are the sell outs. Unless of course SW bought the judges. I don't doubt that he won the event. How can it be a perfect 100 if his hand touched the wall? That is bs and undermines the event.
 

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Seems to me that ESPN are the sell outs. Unless of course SW bought the judges. I don't doubt that he won the event. How can it be a perfect 100 if his hand touched the wall? That is bs and undermines the event.
Come on Kill, he barely touched it. I mean, I'm not defending white. His run was not a 100 in my eyes, but it's not because of the hand drag. It's because he did the same tricks as last year, except cleaner this time around.

If you want to include the hand drag, you're talking a subtraction of what, 1 point? So you're telling me people would complain less if the score was 99 or even 98? No... they would still call SW a sellout and a fucking ginger douche.

I don't defend SW, I argue against the obvious negative bias that people have. X-Games hasn't had fair judging in a long time if ever. It's all marketing. Bullshit that SW couldn't do SS but did superpipe. Pure BS! All marketing for X-Games.

This is why I don't pay attention to scores when I watch. I just want to see the riding. And I'm pretty sick of all this "Weeeeeeeee, I'm spinning and spinning and spinning".

If KP came back to pipe and did this exact run, minor hand to wall touching included, and got a 100... NOBODY WOULD COMPLAIN. This is bias on the other side of the spectrum and is just as wrong.
 

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100 = Perfect.

Hand drag = NOT Perfect.

So without a hand drag, what are the judges gonna do then? Give him a score of 101, 102???
 

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100 = Perfect.

Hand drag = NOT Perfect.

So without a hand drag, what are the judges gonna do then? Give him a score of 101, 102???
100 = Subjective Perfection.

Maybe 100 = that much better than the competition.

Give me a break. You guys hate Shaun White and will find any reason to hate on him more. Just admit it. Again, I doubt even a quarter of you guys would argue against Kevin Pearce had he made a return and did that run with that resulting score. Be real.

And stop saying "Hand drag". It was a touch and you know it.
 

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Travis Pastrana didn't even get a 100 when he did the double back flip a few years back. This was before people were even doing variation back flips and he still didn't get a 100. Noone should ever score a 100 unless they have done all that could ever be done in the sport. There is obviously still room for progression. How many walls did he not even attempt a trick on? I think 2 or 3.
 

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What's with all these "100 should be impossible" arguments? Do you feel the same way in college courses? You can always learn more about the subject. 100 should be impossible right?

If you're defining a 100 score that is given by human judges as the pinnacle of perfection, then yes... what you say is true. But we're talking about subjectivity here. 100 is fully possible and reasonable when there is subjective judging involved.

It's not purely the run they should be judging. The difference in skill-level of competitors also come into play. I'm not into the spin-till-you-win tricks, but SW is the most quite rider in the air and gets substantially more amplitude than his competitors. That is evidenced in slow-motion and height gauges.

That's what the judges like and well, that's how they are judging. Let's not forget the marketing as well. Shaun White gets a boo-boo on his ankle in SS (where he didn't stand a chance mind you), then comes to get a 100 in the pipe. Forget the hand drag kiddos. You all just fell victim to ESPN's marketing team. Yup, this controversy only helps them. What a stupid controversy it is.

How about we all just ignore these scores and watch the riders do their thing. Stop talking about the scores, they don't matter.
 

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IMO a 100 score should be reserved for a "game changer" run, something we've never seen. Not the same run as last year, but cleaner.

I didn't see the final runs, but from the first two times through the lineup, SW was clearly the at the head of the pack. Ipod was real close yesterday, but nobody goes bigger than SW. I'm not a SW supporter in any way, but from an unbiased view that's what I saw yesterday. SW haters are gonna hate SW, whatever, but he's clearly at the top to his class. Sellout? Who cares? I sure as hell don't.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the judges don't get to see replays or slo-mo clips of the run before their score is submitted, just real time. If that's the case, it's hard to see a minor hand drag. I'm not trying to justify the judges or SW, but that might be the case for a judge to miss something minor like that.

Now excuse me while I get back to riding powder.
 

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I just know that a hand drag is a deduction according to the rules. That's it. The rules obviously don't mean anything.
 

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IMO a 100 score should be reserved for a "game changer" run, something we've never seen. Not the same run as last year, but cleaner.
FINALLY! Someone gets my point. I don't think he deserved the 100 for that exact reason. It was a rehashed run that he has been throwing down for the past two seasons, just higher and cleaner. People keep talking about the hand drag like that was the big deal.

But whatever... yea, I'm Shaun White's Internet angel. Pointless to say I'm not a super fan when I have 3 of his signature jackets (pre-skinny jeans and leather) :laugh:

Edit: Exactly Kill, rules don't mean shit in these competitions. It's all marketing moves to get the most talk out of it. Any type of controversy draws an audience and ESPN is winning right now because of that.
 

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The guy who did the front flip on the snowmobile got a 96.66 So you guys are saying he should have got a 100 because that was a game changer? That trick was insane but his landing was a little off. He still rode it out, which was incredible. However, he didnt get a perfect score. Compare this to Shaun White. SW threw down a sick run, definitely better than everyone else, but his landing was a little off and his hand touched the ground on his last trick. He too managed to ride it out and had an incredible run, but based on the rules, that shouldnt be a 100.

When other riders hands touch the ground, most of the time the announcers mention that the judges will probably take away a few points. Shaun White definitely deserved the gold but there needs to be some more consistency in the scoring, thats all.
 

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I heard about the snowmobile trick, but how was his other tricks? If Shaun White threw in a game changer with the current run, 100 MIGHT have been deserved.

I agree, the hand drag should have had deductions, but that is a minor issue in this whole judging thing. People are making the hand drag to be the MAIN reason why he didn't deserve the 100. That is crazy nitpicking ignoring everything else that's wrong with competitive judging these days.
 

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What's most odd to me is that all judges scored him 100. That's the only way to get 100 right?
 

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I heard about the snowmobile trick, but how was his other tricks? If Shaun White threw in a game changer with the current run, 100 MIGHT have been deserved.

I agree, the hand drag should have had deductions, but that is a minor issue in this whole judging thing. People are making the hand drag to be the MAIN reason why he didn't deserve the 100. That is crazy nitpicking ignoring everything else that's wrong with competitive judging these days.
it was the snowmobile best trick competition, so it's only 1 trick per run.

definitely didn't deserve a 100. should have had a point deducted for the hand drag, sure, but it just wasn't worth a 100. while it was excellent, nothing about it made me think it was the best i've ever seen.

all that aside. why the hell does he have to dress like that. he's basically the face of snowboarding to the mass public, and he looks like an idiot.
 

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Haha, I just realized that this was his Victory run. I only saw a clip and didn't know it was a victory run.

Wow, why are we arguing about this? Let's not count victory run judging lol.
 

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I heard about the snowmobile trick, but how was his other tricks?
He only did that 1 trick. In that case, I guess its kind of hard to use that as a comparison. The snowmobile best trick is more similar to the snowboard big air event.
 
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