Set back stance debate

If you cant initiate a turn on a snowboard with setback stance you need to have a good look at yourself IMO.
I ride with anything from centred to 100mm setback and have no trouble finding an edge regardless of how far setback I am.

Too many kids are emo these days

it's not "wrong". Generally set back is best for pow type of days, but it depends on riding style as well. Freeride/All Mountain riders will generally have a set back while park riders will want to be centered. Just my two cents

I would say it's not wrong, but it probably isn't optimal. The stance set-back is set relavent to the side-cut set back. If a boards side-cut is twin and you're an inch back in the side-cut, it may ride different. But who really knows. It could ride better being an inch back in the side-cut.

The primary board i have ridden the past 3 years is athe true twinjello with a 1" setback. Smokin kt-22. I have no problens at all riding it in any direction and have no edge holding issues. Im switching it up this year to their awesymmetrical, its an asymmetric twin with no setback.

Having the setback was nice last year with all our pow days. Its nice ro have in the pow but not necessity if you have strong riding legs.....

"center" to me is not be the center of the board (equidistant from tip and tail) but rather the center of the side-cut for that board.

OU812 said:

I've got a debate going with a friend and looking for opinions here. First off, is it wrong to ride a board that's a true twin with a set back stance of lets say 1in? and is turn initiation more difficult with a set back stance?

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There's no WRONG way to ride a board...

That said, what's the point of buying a twin and then setting yourself back?

Mine is built as a true twin with a setback stance.

poutanen said:

There's no WRONG way to ride a board...

That said, what's the point of buying a twin and then setting yourself back?

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I've actually been looking this recently as I have a twin that I've been wanted to mount set back 1" or so and it seemed 'wrong' to me.

What I've come to realize is that many twins are sold that have the inserts set back. Look at the highly regarded Lib Tech Jamie Lynn and Lando Phoenix models. Both are twin shapes with the inserts set back. .5" with the Lynn and 1" with the Lando if memory serves.

This means that if you set the binding up centered in the mounting inserts you are actually setting them up back from the center of the side cut. These boards both ride great so I think it's less of an issue that people are making it out to be.

I've decided that it's more common than most riders realize and works well.

Brainwashed said:

I've actually been looking this recently as I have a twin that I've been wanted to mount set back 1" or so and it seemed 'wrong' to me.

What I've come to realize is that many twins are sold that have the inserts set back. Look at the highly regarded Lib Tech Jamie Lynn and Lando Phoenix models. Both are twin shapes with the inserts set back. .5" with the Lynn and 1" with the Lando if memory serves.

This means that if you set the binding up centered in the mounting inserts you are actually setting them up back from the center of the side cut. These boards both ride great so I think it's less of an issue that people are making it out to be.

I've decided that it's more common than most riders realize and works well.

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Not the best examples, as these boards are directional twins (not true twins) designed to be setback while retaining a twin shape. The center of their sidecut is also moved toward the tail to match the setback.

FYI- don't assume the insert packs are always installed in the correct location

poutanen said:

That said, what's the point of buying a twin and then setting yourself back?

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My K2 Turbo Dream is a Twin with a built in set back. Bam. then again as bseracka said it's a Directional, not a true twin. My Attack Banana is a True twin and that doesn't have a set back

bseracka said:

Not the best examples, as these boards are directional twins (not true twins) designed to be setback while retaining a twin shape. The center of their sidecut is also moved toward the tail to match the setback.

FYI- don't assume the insert packs are always installed in the correct location

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True. This was at a shop where we had these boards in hand with a tape measure.

Are you sure these are directional twins?

tylerkat89 said:

My K2 Turbo Dream is a Twin with a built in set back. Bam. then again as bseracka said it's a Directional, not a true twin. My Attack Banana is a True twin and that doesn't have a set back

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Yeah I guess that's my point. What's the point of setting your bindings back further than the suggested stance?!?

If you want setback, go with a directional shape board. If you want a true twin, why ride it with setback? What you've got is the all-mountain middle. Twin shape, likely directional flex and setback.

What I don't get is why a true twin (flex and shape, i.e. a freestyle board) would be setup with setback. Seems counter intuitive!

Brainwashed said:

Are you sure these are directional twins?

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yes directional twins, it's why they have factory setback

bseracka said:

yes directional twins, it's why they have factory setback

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Sure enough. The Lib-tech site states directional twin.

It's funny because it is so slight that it was hard to measure in person. Of course the Magna traction makes it a little strange to find the center of the side cut too but still... you would think we could have found the center point on a Lynn. Apparently .5" is hard to measure on a 159cm board for us.

OU812 said:

I've got a debate going with a friend and looking for opinions here. First off, is it wrong to ride a board that's a true twin with a set back stance of lets say 1in? and is turn initiation more difficult with a set back stance?

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More difficult to initiate turns. No. I don't think the intimation would be a problem but on hard pack and groomers the side cut should be centered for optimal performance. When I set my true twin back for powder, powder floats the board and side cut is not as important, the goal is tip lift.

Mystery2many said:

More difficult to initiate turns. No. I don't think the intimation would be a problem but on hard pack and groomers the side cut should be centered for optimal performance. When I set my true twin back for powder, powder floats the board and side cut is not as important, the goal is tip lift.

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Yea, pretty much.

Anyways, to give a bit of a preview and since we're on the subject of Lib Tech, I've had to return my TRS because of a defect. It happens, no biggie. Waiting for the distributor here in the country to get back from vacation to get it all sorted. Store confirmed whats wrong with board and Lib Tech (Chris Saari) have been nothing but helpful and quick to respond with emails. Really pleased so far and they're def keeping me as a future customer for my next purchase. I'll make a thread when its all done with, hopefully soon.

poutanen said:

Yeah I guess that's my point. What's the point of setting your bindings back further than the suggested stance?!?

If you want setback, go with a directional shape board. If you want a true twin, why ride it with setback? What you've got is the all-mountain middle. Twin shape, likely directional flex and setback.

What I don't get is why a true twin (flex and shape, i.e. a freestyle board) would be setup with setback. Seems counter intuitive!

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I often ride a true twin and if there is a small powder dump (30cm or less) I find setting back one notch helps keep float and my legs fresh if I am riding 3 or 4 days in a row.

If there is a bigger dump its worth grabbing a more powder specific board.

If you plan to permanently set back on a twin just get a directional twin as others have said, its not ideal as you are out of sync with the sidecut.

dreampow said:

I often ride a true twin and if there is a small powder dump (30cm or less) I find setting back one notch helps keep float and my legs fresh if I am riding 3 or 4 days in a row.

If there is a bigger dump its worth grabbing a more powder specific board.

If you plan to permanently set back on a twin just get a directional twin as others have said, its not ideal as you are out of sync with the sidecut.

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Exactly, but thats what the pros would do as well right? I mean I know T.Rice rides a lot of switch so he may not, but for example GNU has the Dirty Pillow which is pretty much a powder board but with a centred stance so some may just bump back when riding steep and deep.