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Really interested in demoing some of the new Smokin 2014 boards this year. Any early intel on the new Thrash Rocker profile, which looks like a really mellow rocker/camber shape, would be great - especially how it compares to their clash rocker which was already on the mellow side I think?

Any other thoughts on the 2014 superpark vs. buck ferton vs. awesymmetrical in terms of stiffness, dampness, stability, responsiveness also welcome. Looking for a new stick that can cruise, charge and handle pow when needed. No park.
 

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The TTX that we run here at Smokin is similar to the Lib C3. It is the same concept, however we made the rocker length in between the bindings shorter than that of Lib's C3. Thus far everyone on our team is super stoked on the TTX. Jay our owner swears by the TTX saying that it is the best shape he has ever ridden. With that in mind we believe that the shorter rocker allows more camber area and with that comes better edge hold when you need it. The rocker is still deep enough to allow you to float through powder better than other camber dominant boards. I have included a picture below with the profile picture of one of our team boards. As you can see, the difference between TTX and CTX is that the rocker between your feet is touching when a CTX is laid flat on the table, and on the TTX board the rocker between your feet is slightly off the ground. This gives the TTX the edge hold that the CTX sometimes lacks.

I ended up buying both the superpark ctx and the new team ttx. The ctx is basically flat with camber bumps. I expected it to be more banana/flying v, where if you step on the tail the nose comes up. Not with the one I got.

With the Team, it's essentially camber but if I step on the back binding, only the back half of the board goes flat, while the front half of the board keeps it's camber. On a regular camber board, doing the same thing half flattens the camber in the front. Not sure what real world applications this has but I can't wait to try them both.
The team is a hair softer than the superpark and has a nice medium flex. It's hard to handflex them as they are softer between the bindings and have the pop gnarley hemp stringers in the nose and tail to stiffen them up.
 

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The TTX that we run here at Smokin is similar to the Lib C3. It is the same concept, however we made the rocker length in between the bindings shorter than that of Lib's C3. Thus far everyone on our team is super stoked on the TTX. Jay our owner swears by the TTX saying that it is the best shape he has ever ridden. With that in mind we believe that the shorter rocker allows more camber area and with that comes better edge hold when you need it. The rocker is still deep enough to allow you to float through powder better than other camber dominant boards. I have included a picture below with the profile picture of one of our team boards. As you can see, the difference between TTX and CTX is that the rocker between your feet is touching when a CTX is laid flat on the table, and on the TTX board the rocker between your feet is slightly off the ground. This gives the TTX the edge hold that the CTX sometimes lacks.

I ended up buying both the superpark ctx and the new team ttx. The ctx is basically flat with camber bumps. I expected it to be more banana/flying v, where if you step on the tail the nose comes up. Not with the one I got.

With the Team, it's essentially camber but if I step on the back binding, only the back half of the board goes flat, while the front half of the board keeps it's camber. On a regular camber board, doing the same thing half flattens the camber in the front. Not sure what real world applications this has but I can't wait to try them both.
The team is a hair softer than the superpark and has a nice medium flex. It's hard to handflex them as they are softer between the bindings and have the pop gnarley hemp stringers in the nose and tail to stiffen them up.
Interesting - so basically ctx rocker is almost flat and ttx rocker is micro camber by the sounds of it? On the website the rocker is much more pronounced by the looks of it on the ctx and less so on the ttx but still noticeable. But you think it's more or less flat/camber between the bindings?

Really want to try some Smokin. You think the superpark would be more appropriate for all mountain/some pow/no park than any of the others?
 

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EasyLoungin | Smokin Snowboards random question page

scroll down that page and you'll the pic I was sent from Smokin of the side profile of the Team, followed by the pic I took of mine.

Definitely try a Smokin. Great people. Great pop, mag, great warranty, made in USA (if you like that).

The SP would be a sick board for what you listed. The only question is whether to get it in camber, ctx or ttx! If you choose ctx, then consider the awsym too. The Smokin guys were raving about it. It will be the same guts as the SP but with the asym construction.
 

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I'll take a read thanks. I was tempted last year but kinda wary of too much rocker between the bindings because I don't enjoy the squirely feeling on flat but the more I read into smokin it seems their take on rocker is pretty mellow to begin with and now with the new ttx profile almost flat/camber by the sounds of it. So I am definitely going to try and demo a few this year. I ride up at Squaw in tahoe and I know a local dealer up there who has smokin demos every year.
 

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The thrash rocker is a great combo of rocker and camber. Amazing edge hold, dunno about float yet but it's very Playfull. We have team series and super park wide with thrash. Great combo for groomer/park so far. I'll try it on a pow day but likely will stick with my awesymetrical for all mtn/big mtn riding.
 

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Also, their clash rocker is super mellow between bindings compared to other RC boards. Their thrash rocker is like camber on steroids.
 

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Also, their clash rocker is super mellow between bindings compared to other RC boards. Their thrash rocker is like camber on steroids.
Ah, Argo, was waiting for your input. Thrash is still rocker between the bindings though, right? On the website it says ttx is mild rocker to camber. But both you guys are saying it's definitely flat/camber between the bindings?

Also ctx more mellow than Never Summer rocker?

What bindings you guys slapping on all these?
 

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Putting my clash Buck Ferton next to my friends NS Revolver the BF has about half the amount of rocker. In fact, the nose and tail of my BF will touch with just the weight of bindings on it.

I have no personal experience with the thrash rocker but t seems like it is a cambered board with a dropped center section. Just enough to put a little more pressure in the center. If I had use for another board I'd buy one because it seems like a fun idea.
 

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Ah, Argo, was waiting for your input. Thrash is still rocker between the bindings though, right? On the website it says ttx is mild rocker to camber. But both you guys are saying it's definitely flat/camber between the bindings?

Also ctx more mellow than Never Summer rocker?

What bindings you guys slapping on all these?

Definitely more mellow than NS. Union contact pro, atlas, factory and flow nx2-SE/gt.

Thrash, It does have rocker between the bindings but when not weighted, the tip and tail are on the ground and the mid section is off the ground. For the rocker to take effect you have to have the board weighted. Strange concept but it works so far. I guess we will see about the float in powder....
 

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Hey Argo how's the flex on the team and superpark? Seem like a mid stuff all mountain park flex, I think I saw the team is a little softer?
 

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Team is middle of the road flex. If your great for an all Mountain and all around park board so far. I have had the super park clash for over a year. It's stiffer but not much stiffer. Also a great all mountain and Park Board. Really it's a graphic toss up between them, the flex is a minimal difference.
 

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In terms of stiffness would you say (1 being stiffest):

1. Awesymmetrical

2. Superpark

3. Team

4. Buck Ferton
 

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That's about right....

Awesymetrical says 6 and is really more like 8/9 stiffness when new. I haven't broken mine in yet though....
 

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EasyLoungin | Smokin Snowboards random question page

scroll down that page and you'll the pic I was sent from Smokin of the side profile of the Team, followed by the pic I took of mine.

Definitely try a Smokin. Great people. Great pop, mag, great warranty, made in USA (if you like that).

The SP would be a sick board for what you listed. The only question is whether to get it in camber, ctx or ttx! If you choose ctx, then consider the awsym too. The Smokin guys were raving about it. It will be the same guts as the SP but with the asym construction.
Supra - have you tried your ctx and ttx boards yet? What's the verdict?
 

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I am interested in both these boards would appreciate some thoughts so far.
I have ridden both on STEEP European groomers and in thigh deep pow. The awesymetrical is amazing in everything as an all around board. The team has slight better edge hold and pop when going fast or doing anything involving tricks. Perfect flex for park(not straight urban but good size jumps and typical rails, boxes and shit. Probably stiffer than you would want for a straight urban type board.

I do have to shift my weight back in deeper pow, like over knee deep.... My thighs are still sore from Jan 1-2.... I'm about to throw some bindings On my pin tail smokin for days that have deeper reports since 4" at Vail = 10"+....

The Clancy has also been an amazing all around board. great edge hold, great in park and ok in powder. It's got contact pro on it. The team has union factory. The awesymetrical has flow nx2 se.
 

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I have ridden both on STEEP European groomers and in thigh deep pow. The awesymetrical is amazing in everything as an all around board. The team has slight better edge hold and pop when going fast or doing anything involving tricks. Perfect flex for park(not straight urban but good size jumps and typical rails, boxes and shit. Probably stiffer than you would want for a straight urban type board.

I do have to shift my weight back in deeper pow, like over knee deep.... My thighs are still sore from Jan 1-2.... I'm about to throw some bindings On my pin tail smokin for days that have deeper reports since 4" at Vail = 10"+....

The Clancy has also been an amazing all around board. great edge hold, great in park and ok in powder. It's got contact pro on it. The team has union factory. The awesymetrical has flow nx2 se.
Hey I know it's been a while since you've been in this thread but I wanted to ask you a couple of questions.

What type of rider would you recommend this board to? Is it a basic all around board with a lower camber profile or is it geared towards a specific type of rider?

Also for the Clancy you rode? Was it zero camber or posi camber? When you say it is "ok" in powder, how deep does the pow need to be before you decide to switch to a different board?

Finally, did you take either of these boards into the trees? If so how did they perform?

I know this thread is old but if you have the time I would really appreciate some insight.

thanks!
 

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I have ridden both on STEEP European groomers and in thigh deep pow. The awesymetrical is amazing in everything as an all around board. The team has slight better edge hold and pop when going fast or doing anything involving tricks. Perfect flex for park(not straight urban but good size jumps and typical rails, boxes and shit. Probably stiffer than you would want for a straight urban type board.

I do have to shift my weight back in deeper pow, like over knee deep.... My thighs are still sore from Jan 1-2.... I'm about to throw some bindings On my pin tail smokin for days that have deeper reports since 4" at Vail = 10"+....

The Clancy has also been an amazing all around board. great edge hold, great in park and ok in powder. It's got contact pro on it. The team has union factory. The awesymetrical has flow nx2 se.

Are you refering to the ttx team?
 
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