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Hi, I am an advanced/expert rider. I currently have a neversummer 161 cobra x with burton cartel bindings. I got it as my first board because I wanted an all mountain board that can do some park. Now I'm thinking about doing more rides in the park. I don't know much about boards condsidering I'm still using my first board. I need suggestions for one board that can shred park and pow or two boards that are built specifically for pow or park. Also any suggestions for a powder twin board?

Height: 6'7"
Weight: 195-200 lbs
Current board: neversummer 161 cobra x
Bindings: burton cartel
 

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There's no board that can do both. The board eiter superior in park or in pow. Or sucks everywhere. Grab a short park board and a real directional pow stick.
 

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How many days do you ride a year? Where do you ride?
This last season I had a total of 16 days at bear valley/ boreal. This next season I'm going as many times as possible which I would estimate as at least 100 days. I was considering selling the ns cobra x that I have and getting two super specific boards for both freeride and freestyle.
 

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There's no board that can do both. The board eiter superior in park or in pow. Or sucks everywhere. Grab a short park board and a real directional pow stick.
Do you know of any pow free ride boards that are not directional. I want to get a board that I can use for off piste jumps.
 

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This last season I had a total of 16 days at bear valley/ boreal. This next season I'm going as many times as possible which I would estimate as at least 100 days. I was considering selling the ns cobra x that I have and getting two super specific boards for both freeride and freestyle.

Then your probably more of an intermediate rider. Boreal is a super small mtn with not much advanced terrain as is bear(just bigger).

Keep the cobra, it's a great board, for all mountain free riding and pow days and get a park board. Your a pretty big guy though so you MAY just wanna get a bigger all mtn board with a setback if you actually get to ride all the pow days the mtn has.
 

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Do you know of any pow free ride boards that are not directional. I want to get a board that I can use for off piste jumps.

I ride a directional twin all the time pretty much every day, 160 days this year so far since last august. You get used to riding switch with a setback board. Just land switch, ride it out and do a 180 back around to regular riding position like normal. The setback makes riding pow so much nicer. I'm gonna ride a 163 pin tail this year with a 3" setback on good pow days which we had about 3 a week this past season
 

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Then your probably more of an intermediate rider. Boreal is a super small mtn with not much advanced terrain as is bear(just bigger).

Keep the cobra, it's a great board, for all mountain free riding and pow days and get a park board. Your a pretty big guy though so you MAY just wanna get a bigger all mtn board with a setback if you actually get to ride all the pow days the mtn has.
Yeah this wouldn't be until after this next season. I haven't been to bear in Southern California but bear valley has an entire lower mountain of black diamond runs. I have a season pass for bear valley for this coming season, but for the next season I'm going get a pass for a place with more expert runs.
 

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I ride a directional twin all the time pretty much every day, 160 days this year so far since last august. You get used to riding switch with a setback board. Just land switch, ride it out and do a 180 back around to regular riding position like normal. The setback makes riding pow so much nicer. I'm gonna ride a 163 pin tail this year with a 3" setback on good pow days which we had about 3 a week this past season
Any suggestions for a board that's super stable at high speeds
 

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Do you know of any pow free ride boards that are not directional. I want to get a board that I can use for off piste jumps.
Why do you need a true-twin for this? You can do rotations on a directional stick.

BTW: I guess any oversized board can be considered as a freeride board. Like if you're riding some 155 true-twin board in park, you can easily ride same board in 162-165 in powder. But that's kinda pointless.
*whispers: all know that the best powder board is a swallow

Any suggestions for a board that's super stable at high speeds
I've heard that Kessler GS 185 board is pretty stable at speeds.
 

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Any suggestions for a board that's super stable at high speeds
Jones Flagship, Ride Highlife UL, Volkl Coal, Burton Custom X are the ones I know. All of them stiff, responsive and stable no matter how fast you'll ride.
The Custom X and Coal more for carving/bombing groomers (ok but not particularly great in pow), the Flagship is additionally a great pow board.
 

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There's no board that can do both. The board eiter superior in park or in pow. Or sucks everywhere. Grab a short park board and a real directional pow stick.
Disagree.

There are plenty of park boards that slay powder. K2 Happy Hour or Fastplant, Salomon Time Machine, Bataleon Goliath, Flow Era, Nitro Rook, YES Greats, or a Signal OG Flat or Freedom Machine Flat.

If you do just want 2 boards for park I'd look at the K2 Fastplant, Salomon Villain, Signal Freedom Machine Camber, Bataleon Whatever, Yes Jackpot, or a Flow Shifty. For pow, K2 Ultradream, Salomon Sick Stick, YES PYL, Jones Flagship, or anything Venture.
 

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Disagree.

There are plenty of park boards that slay powder. K2 Happy Hour or Fastplant, Salomon Time Machine, Bataleon Goliath, Flow Era, Nitro Rook, YES Greats, or a Signal OG Flat or Freedom Machine Flat.

If you do just want 2 boards for park I'd look at the K2 Fastplant, Salomon Villain, Signal Freedom Machine Camber, Bataleon Whatever, Yes Jackpot, or a Flow Shifty. For pow, K2 Ultradream, Salomon Sick Stick, YES PYL, Jones Flagship, or anything Venture.
Of course there's some board that can hande both. But you'd get more fun haveing two specialized boards for park and pow. This is may me most different confitions you can imagine.

The earlier someone realize that he need two boards: one for park. second is for freeride and pow. Then he be progressing faster in both.

You can try sit at both chairs at once, and you can be successful for a while. But generally that idea looks bad to me.
 

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I guess that depends on riding style. Even in pow I prefer twins. Its easier to move around on. Even owning a full blown pow stick I'd ride it maybe 2-3 out of 100 days. The right boards ride one way in certain conditions and another in other conditions. The Happy Hour is like that, so is the Villain. I rode the 2014 Happy Hour on an 18 in day and it kills pow. The flat section between the feet makes it drive like rocker in deep snow. By the end of the day in the chunder fields is smashed through mounds like camber. Then buttering around and hitting the shitty rails at the Basin in post season it slid well and pressed well. It's more than good in the park, in the trees, and in deep. The Villain is clearly a super rad park board. The best day I had on it was at Steamboat towards the end of March. It snowed more than a foot overnight and probably 2 feet that day. I had stupid amounts of fun on the Villain and out of the whole Salomon line I would not go back and choose something else.

If you like riding a directional with a lot of setback as an all mountain and powder board yeah you will sacrifice to have a one board quiver. Personally I don't like that kind of board for my riding, so a one board quiver works pretty damn well. I have 8-9 board, all but one are twins and the one that isn't is directional in shape only and only by a cm.
 

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I rode the 2014 Happy Hour on an 18 in day and it kills pow. The flat section between the feet makes it drive like rocker in deep snow. By the end of the day in the chunder fields is smashed through mounds like camber.
Not wanting to steal your thread here, but I have a question for Nivek.

I see you like the Happy hour, but did you ride the new Subculture?

It also has the lifted tech and blunted tips which I prefer to pointy as you get the longer effective edge. I don't find pointy to really help in pow and it feels like a waste of a few centimeters to me.

The Subculture also has the carbon web whatever that is and the only disadvantage I can see is that the core is slightly higher end on the Happy hour.

Subculture also has a slight setback which is not an issue for me.

Thing is its cheaper than the Happy hour as well. Definitely interested in this.

Seems like this tech is popular.
Maybe next year they will put it into the Turbo dream and the Ultra dream.
 

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Does anybody suggest spending the extra money for the carbon flagship over the regular flagship. I'm probably going to get the 168 w.
 

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You'll find an ultra dream & most other all mountain boards out there more fun than the flagship (stiff & unforgiving). I'd say in pow it rides okay (as in, there are loads of better pow boards out here)
 

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I didn't get a chance to ride it yet. It's definitely on my list. It might be a bit softer between the feet without the ollie bar so it might be the perfect board for me (I actually like 1cm setback twin).

Just as a note, the Happy Hour doesn't have any longer tips than any other normal board. Do the numbers and they're actually standard. Think of it like an anti blunt. So instead of taking the tip curve and making it tighter so it flattens out. The Happy Hour lays out the tip curve so it comes to a point.

The Turbo and Ultra will likely stay with the rocker profile they have. If you want that ride there's the Slayblade.
 
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